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Mythbusters - "Unarmed and Unharmed."

Grade the episode:

  • Myth Cofirmed! - (Excellent)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Myth Confirmed (but not reccomended) - (Good)

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • Myth Inconclusive - (Average)

    Votes: 2 50.0%
  • Myth Overturned - (Bad)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Myth Busted! - (Terrible)

    Votes: 1 25.0%

  • Total voters
    4

Trekker4747

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From Wikipedia:
Adam and Jamie test an old gun-slinging story; Grant, Tory and Jessi test another myth from the movie "Speed."

This is last episode listed at Wikipedia so it may or not be the finale for "this year" -though this was the case, too, a couple of weeks ago.

The gun-slinging "myth", IIRC, is shooting a gun out of someone's hand and the "Speed" myth is the 50-foot jump with the bus. (Adam and Jamie and the Junior Mythbusters are testing these, respecetively.)
 
Watching it now on a bit of a time-shift any have a bit of a quibble already on the Speed myth.

In the movie, Keanu tells Annie to floor the pedal to speed the bus up, so it was traveling faster than the requisite 50 miles an hour when it made the jump. Granted, the 50 is the only number they have to go on for testing, but "in movie" the bus was traveling faster. -I'd have to check the movie to see if the spedo is shown and what speed it claimed the bus was at when it made the jump, also -though it hasn't been mentioned yet and for me the show is just starting- I wonder if they're going to see if the bus will mantain a speed at or greater than 50 after making the jump.
 
Shooting to disarm: I remember discussing this one on the Mythbusters Fan Club Forum, so I already have some idea of the physics involved. What I figured is that it's a matter of action and reaction -- if firing the gun doesn't knock it out of your hand, then the impact of the bullet on the other guy's gun shouldn't knock it out of their hand either.

So how come they had success with knocking the gun out here? Well, I'm not happy with Jamie's gripping rig. It's too passive; there's no muscle response involved. I would've rather seen something mechanical that exerted an active grip, or at least something spring-loaded to generate pressure. Now, maybe if someone were holding the gun loosely and taken by surprise, it might knock the gun out of their hand before they could compensate and hold onto it. But like I said, if you can hold on during the firing recoil, they should be able to hold on too.

Someone else on the message board pointed out that the bullet takes a brief time to leave the barrel, which would spread out the delivery of the force, and that the force of impact might be delivered more in one burst and thus have more effect. That might be true, given the result of hitting Adam's target-with-handle thingy with the bat, and the similar forces involved. Still, I wonder how much of it is a matter of the direction of the force. A gun handle is designed to cope with the recoil force pushing backward against your wrist and arm, but in the "draw" and "hostage" positions, the force was perpendicular to that. So maybe it's something that can only work if the other guy's gun isn't pointing right at you.

And indeed Adam and Jamie's final results with the remote-control, double-handle gun bear that out. As well as supporting what I suspected, that it's more a matter of surprise than force. You can hold on, but only if your startle reflex doesn't cost you your grip. That confirms my initial thinking about the action and reaction.

So why was it so much worse with the baseball bat? Perhaps because the force was delivered more gradually, more continuously.

Of course, that still leaves the shrapnel, a factor movies and TV routinely ignore. That damage looked pretty devastating. Now, what I'd like to see tested is: what would happen if you used silver bullets? After all, the disarming shot was the Lone Ranger's trademark.


Speed bus jump: The small-scale result went pretty much as I expected, except, like Jessi, I didn't expect the bus to even get as far as it did. The bit about calculating the correction for unscaled gravity (once the plan to test it on the Moon fell through) was interesting.

Is it me, or is the junior team doing the more elaborate myths lately? Jessi certainly got to show her stuff as a builder this week, constructing the miniature freeway section and contributing to the construction of the big ramp from the steel container. (That's just so wild, cutting one of those big things in half on a diagonal and making a ramp out of it.) Although it still seems she's being treated as a junior member of the junior team, not getting as much screen time as the guys.

And Grant seems to be better than Adam and Jamie at rigging remote-controlled vehicles that actually shut down when you tell them to. Maybe just because he's learned from their experience. Or maybe it's because radio control is his particular specialty (as he alluded to, he's one of ILM's three official R2-D2 operators).

At least, it seemed that way for a while. It wouldn't be a Mythbusters radio-controlled-vehicle experiment if they didn't crash through the fences at Alameda at least once. The thing is, they made it harder for themselves than it needed to be. Why didn't they just reuse the tow method that was used for the semi trucks in the Compact Compact myth? That would ensure that the bus stayed on target, if a cable was towing it there. And I recall one myth where they set up a tow rig with some kind of self-correcting axle in front that ensured the vehicle would stay on a straight course. No need for all of Grant's wobbly steering. Heck, the least they could've done was to have Grant watch the video feed from inside the bus for steering purposes. From what he said, it sounded like he was just eyeballing it from behind.
 
My take:

"Unarmed and Unharmed"

I loved the Hynemian-Newton Law gun. :lol: and how Jamie modified the concept to make it work. Well tested, as Jamie and Adam usually are, though I'd say the final result was more "plausible" than it was "busted." I'd also quibble that the fake handle didn't have the trigger or the gaurd there, the shock of that hitting your hand could hurt enough to cause a drop reaction.

"Speed Jump"

Done fairly well, but I see a revisit on this coming up as they didn't quite hit the ramp well and and they didn't get the speed the bus was in the movie. I suspect the bus couldn't get over ~60 due to a speed governor on the bus, to "really test" it they'd need to get the bus to near 70 like in the movie.

For control issues I see several problems: First of all, I see almost no need for a steering rig. Locking the front axles to straight-ahead and maybe even putting the bus on a guided track or wire or rail or something would solve any and all control issues for the most part. Also Grant having to drive the bus from the behind in the chase vechile seems like a good way to have control issues. A POV camera inside the bus' driver's seat or on the nose of the bus would've made control/seeing the line much easier.

The results, however, weren't surprising and I doubt even a best-case-scenario revisit would net any different results.

Jessi's starting to grow on me a bit more.

And it does look like there's a new episode next week!
 
Well tested, as Jamie and Adam usually are, though I'd say the final result was more "plausible" than it was "busted."

The "unarmed" (or rather disarmed) part is plausible; the "unharmed" part is thoroughly busted, unless you're using rubber bullets or the person is wearing really good body armor. The shrapnel's the dealbreaker.


"Speed Jump"

Done fairly well, but I see a revisit on this coming up as they didn't quite hit the ramp well and and they didn't get the speed the bus was in the movie. I suspect the bus couldn't get over ~60 due to a speed governor on the bus, to "really test" it they'd need to get the bus to near 70 like in the movie.

They were at better than 80% of the speed in the movie, and with a lighter bus since it had only one "passenger" (Buster) aboard, yet they didn't get anywhere remotely near the distance they'd need. Ramping the speed up another 20% wouldn't have come close to doing the trick.

And it does look like there's a new episode next week!

Yep -- unfortunately, it looks like they're testing some kinda disgusting myths.
 
And Grant seems to be better than Adam and Jamie at rigging remote-controlled vehicles that actually shut down when you tell them to. Maybe just because he's learned from their experience. Or maybe it's because radio control is his particular specialty (as he alluded to, he's one of ILM's three official R2-D2 operators).

I think Grant is the robot/remote control/electronics expert. I think Adam and Jamie have hijacked him for there own use at least once.
 
-I'd have to check the movie to see if the spedo is shown and what speed it claimed the bus was at when it made the jump, also -though it hasn't been mentioned yet and for me the show is just starting- I wonder if they're going to see if the bus will mantain a speed at or greater than 50 after making the jump.

I don't think anyone needs Mythbusters to tell us whether or not the bus will accelerate after it leaves the ground.
 
^I think DrummerBoy was saying that he wanted a test of whether it was plausible for the bus to remain at a speed above 50 MPH following the moment of its landing. That's a good question, actually; if you recall, the "Hit the Ground Running" myth showed that when a vehicle hits the ground with its wheels racing, it doesn't instantly take off at the commensurate speed, because there's a lot of friction it must overcome first. So it's really a worthwhile issue to examine: assuming the bus could miraculously make the jump and land intact, would it retain enough of its initial 70 MPH velocity to avoid falling below 50 and setting off the bomb?
 
I loved the bit with the baseball bat and gun paddle test. Adam's "manly scream" when the paddle is knocked out his hand and the subsequent slow motion replay of the same reaction with the sound of a baby crying dubbed over it where priceless.
 
The bus thing was ridiculous. It was obvious how that would work out.

The unarmed/unharmed was more interesting to me.
 
The bus thing was ridiculous. It was obvious how that would work out.

There's been plenty of "myths" they've tested where the results were obvious to anyone with a basic knowledge of physics. Hell, they've tested several versions of the "helium-filled object lifts something heavy" "myth" because some of the details change enough that it makes people wonder.

The show is more about demonstrating how things work (or don't work) to "prove" it.

Though, I still suspect a bus-jump revisit at somepoint due to some of the "issues" fans likely will raise over this.
 
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