FlashForward 1X10: A561984 - Grading and Discussion
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The chick who was talking to Suicide Doctor Cancer Guy.
No new episodes until March?! That sucks.
Well, he only believes he was responsible, based solely on the timing of the event. Which is pretty flimsy reasoning. If anything, everyone else is being too quick to take him at his word, though I suppose it's plausible that a lot of people would be eager to go after the first scapegoat who offered himself.
His name is Bryce Varley, and there were two women (when did "chick" stop being seen as an insult?) who had dialogue scenes with him in the course of the episode, Agent Janis Hawk and hospital volunteer Nicole Kirby.
Nicole, it looked like she had Vulcan ears. I'm bad with names, even worse with TV character names in series where there's like 50 characters to keep track of.
But that can't be right, because then Charlie (Olivia's daughter with Mark Benford) would never have been born. Unless the flashforward Charlie and Dylan saw was to a different timeline than the one Olivia and Lloyd saw, but that's overcomplicating things, and Dylan's presence in the Benford home would still need explanation.
Not to mention that if their vision was from a timeline where Olivia moved to Boston instead of going to LA to be with Mark, then why would Olivia and Lloyd end up living in the Benford home in LA?
So no, I think that scene discussing Many Worlds was just a way of setting up an attraction between Olivia and Lloyd, and maybe suggesting that they were "destined" to be together -- that they would've gotten together if Mark hadn't come along and gotten in the way.
You could do what I do and look them up on IMDb before posting.
Bah!
The next episode will have space nazi's from the temporal cold war.
Seriously, this episode lost me. It was a slight improvement from the last episode, but where is this going to end up? I have a feeling not many will be satisfied with whatever conclusion occurs. Or it will be a complete disaster like the ending to TCW.
Meanwhile, I just can't give a damn if the good looking black girl marries Harold (or Kumar) or not. I don't care if the nurse has an affair with the mass murderer, and her fbi husband leaves her and omg starts drinking again! I really don't care if the lesbo gets pregnant. I don't care if the suicidal male nurse finds the hot asian he visioned. I don't care about any of these characters at all. The premise is interesting, but only touched on for about 5 minutes an episode.
I can't see myself tuning in March 2010.
Seriously, this episode lost me. It was a slight improvement from the last episode, but where is this going to end up? I have a feeling not many will be satisfied with whatever conclusion occurs. Or it will be a complete disaster like the ending to TCW.
Meanwhile, I just can't give a damn if the good looking black girl marries Harold (or Kumar) or not. I don't care if the nurse has an affair with the mass murderer, and her fbi husband leaves her and omg starts drinking again! I really don't care if the lesbo gets pregnant. I don't care if the suicidal male nurse finds the hot asian he visioned. I don't care about any of these characters at all. The premise is interesting, but only touched on for about 5 minutes an episode.
I can't see myself tuning in March 2010.
Excellent
The best episode of the series since the pilot.
The best episode of the series since the pilot.
Decent... it managed to hold my interest, though I did roll my eyes at the stupidity of Mark's actions in the restaurant. Yeah, we get it, you're desperate, but use some common sense, would you?
I'll tune in to the next episode... that is, if I still remember to do so on March 4th! And it's even worse for V, which isn't returning until March 30th. It's almost as if ABC wants these shows to die. I mean, I can understand them wanting to avoid the Winter Olympics on NBC, but surely they could fit in a couple of episodes before then.
I'll tune in to the next episode... that is, if I still remember to do so on March 4th! And it's even worse for V, which isn't returning until March 30th. It's almost as if ABC wants these shows to die. I mean, I can understand them wanting to avoid the Winter Olympics on NBC, but surely they could fit in a couple of episodes before then.
He was the best villain 24 ever had -- Ira Gaines!
in the book version, it WAS their experiment that caused this, and that scene and whole relevation scene was similar. It wasn't JUST the experiment, though, but specific stuff happening at the same time. Later in the book, they tried to reproduce it, and couldn't, the external variables were different (tachyons, or other exotic particles weren't present). Had to wait 25-30 years to actually reproduce the experiment, which was pretty much the end of the book.
Setting the whole thing 6 months ahead instead of 30 years creates more urgency, but it'll be interesting to see where they go with it.
Setting the whole thing 6 months ahead instead of 30 years creates more urgency, but it'll be interesting to see where they go with it.
^I think they're making it pretty clear that the experiment wasn't the cause in the show, because you've got those towers that were in Somalia in 1991 that are clearly linked to the whole thing, and you've got all these conspirators lurking about. So I think they're using it as a red herring in the show.
Well, the technology behind the Campos/Simcoe machine and the test in Somalia in 1991 is the same. They both use the "plasma afterburner" tower technology Campos invented (or co-invented/stole, since whomever tested it in 1991 did so a year before Campos published the design).
So, either the conspirators purposely timed the event to coincide with the Campos/Simcoe experiment in order to get them to take the blame and preserve the secrecy of the conspiracy, or Campos knew that the experiment would have this effect and kept it from Simcoe and the rest of his colleagues. In this episode he was refusing to accept responsibility for causing the blackout, yet in earlier episodes he had taken credit for it and even considered himself godlike in a way for causing 20 million deaths.
I'm thinking that Campos worked with the CIA and/or the Defense Dept. to develop the plasma afterburner technology in '90/'91, and then they either with his help or not made the design a reality and tested it. He seemed genuinely surprised when the FBI revealed the earlier test, but he seems to be a practiced liar and manipulator, so that could have been an act.
Either way, the show is definitely making a bigger conspiracy out of it, so at most the book's explanation is only going to be a portion of the show's explanation.
Oh, yeah, definitely. As much as it seems like they're angling things towards a CIA conspiracy, I kind of hope they avoid that. Though at least it's not as cliché as making the bad guys the NSA (outside of stories involving communications and cryptography) which - despite not having a role that's anything like the CIA - is the new favorite all-purpose intelligence agency in TV and movies because the CIA doesn't sound as mysterious anymore.
Although, they did introduce those evil private defense contractors from Jericho (I like the funny choice of name), so they tackled that recent TV/movie cliché as well. I imagine that they'll factor into the larger conspiracy at some point, and not just the daughter of the AA guy's story.
Although, they did introduce those evil private defense contractors from Jericho (I like the funny choice of name), so they tackled that recent TV/movie cliché as well. I imagine that they'll factor into the larger conspiracy at some point, and not just the daughter of the AA guy's story.
Agreed. Focusing on Demetri/Mark and Lloyd/Olivia and Lloyd/Campos, no annoying sponsor guy and his daughter, very little Bryce and a total absence of the show's ridiculous "oppressed Japanese woman" stereotype = MASSIVE improvement over the past few episodes. This episode actually felt like it had a purpose instead of meandering along Boring Road like most of the season has been doing.
