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AKA..a theoretical physicist designs a starship! Check this out, Dr Michio Kaku designs a ship somewhat based around the theories presented..and not far from Star Trek's starship/warp technology, and presents it for approval from sci-fi fans.

http://science.discovery.com/videos/sci-fi-science-videos/

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The series continues with other staples of science fiction:

http://science.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=48.15730.127643.38766.6
 
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I saw a little of that, Dr. K is always entertaining... thoughts of modelling a 3-nacelle ship came immediately to mind! :lol:
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Nacelles being blue are ok. Leonard Nimoy said so.

Check this out, Dr Michio Kaku designs a ship somewhat based around the theories presented..and not far from Star Trek's starship/warp technology, and presents it for approval

I approve. That is one neat looking starship, speaking purely from an aesthetic standpoint.
 
Nacelles being blue are ok. Leonard Nimoy said so.

Check this out, Dr Michio Kaku designs a ship somewhat based around the theories presented..and not far from Star Trek's starship/warp technology, and presents it for approval

I approve. That is one neat looking starship, speaking purely from an aesthetic standpoint.

He makes you really believe it too. :):techman:
 
This was pretty lame. Kaku dumbed down and misrepresented a lot of the science, particularly in the second episode about "parallel universes," and it was a pretty obnoxious fiction for him to pretend he was "designing" stuff when he was really just describing the work of other theoretical physicists. The "ship design" in those photos is completely arbitrary, aside from the ring feature; it's pure showmanship (and was no doubt largely the work of the show's art department). The real information is in the discussion of the field around the ship. For instance, it's useful to know that the negative energy would be needed on the sides of the bubble with positive energy in front and back (which is no doubt the basis of the ring design that's been proposed before and that this piece of artwork copies).

He's also blurring the line between fact and fiction a bit too much, downplaying the difficulty of making any of this real. The goal should be just to use these "inventions" as a conceptual framework for talking about real scientific ideas, but he's oversimplifying the ideas to support the fantasy and perpetuating the popular misconception of science as being about inventing rather than observing and theorizing.

Not to mention that none of the three types of "parallel universe" he talked about in episode 2 are what SF fans normally mean when they use the term "parallel universe," i.e. alternate timelines as predicted by the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum mechanics. And it was very misleading to talk about universes with different physical laws being just like ours with a few differences. Change the laws of physics even slightly and you couldn't have stars or planets at all, let alone humans. So he skipped over or distorted more science than he actually presented.

But in that first episode, when they were interviewing SF fans at a convention, I could swear I recognized a couple of them.
 
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This was pretty lame. Kaku dumbed down and misrepresented a lot of the science, particularly in the second episode about "parallel universes," and it was a pretty obnoxious fiction for him to pretend he was "designing" stuff when he was really just describing the work of other theoretical physicists. The "ship design" in those photos is completely arbitrary, aside from the ring feature; it's pure showmanship (and was no doubt largely the work of the show's art department). The real information is in the discussion of the field around the ship. For instance, it's useful to know that the negative energy would be needed on the sides of the bubble with positive energy in front and back (which is no doubt the basis of the ring design that's been proposed before and that this piece of artwork copies).

He's also blurring the line between fact and fiction a bit too much, downplaying the difficulty of making any of this real. The goal should be just to use these "inventions" as a conceptual framework for talking about real scientific ideas, but he's oversimplifying the ideas to support the fantasy and perpetuating the popular misconception of science as being about inventing rather than observing and theorizing.

Not to mention that none of the three types of "parallel universe" he talked about in episode 2 are what SF fans normally mean when they use the term "parallel universe," i.e. alternate timelines as predicted by the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum mechanics. And it was very misleading to talk about universes with different physical laws being just like ours with a few differences. Change the laws of physics even slightly and you couldn't have stars or planets at all, let alone humans. So he skipped over or distorted more science than he actually presented.

But in that first episode, when they were interviewing SF fans at a convention, I could swear I recognized a couple of them.

He did a great job for 22 minutes...and I don't think we were meant to think he literally designed the ship from the ground up, it was somewhat fanciful...I recall Star Trek specials where other physicists presented their own renderings of what real starships would look like. Its no big deal really. I do agree with you that the real value in the show was updating some of the newer theories for broadcast tv.

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^I just don't like the emphasis. It's one thing to use an imaginary starship design as a visual device for conveying science information. I loved what Carl Sagan did with his dandelion-ship in Cosmos. But this show seemed to approach it as though the specific design and appearance of the ship were the important things, the end goal of the process. And I'm concerned that people are going to come away from this thinking that the message was "a starship will be made up of four spindle shapes and a ring" rather than "a vast and probably unattainable of negative energy is necessary to create a warp metric." I mean, they didn't even mention the Casimir effect by name! What's the point of describing it but not naming it?

And speaking of name drops, why in episode 2 did they repeatedly cite parallel universes as something from Stargate? That's not what that show is about. They've only been to alternate timelines a few times, about par for the course for a sci-fi show. Sliders would've been a better analogy, but I guess the show wanted to ride on the coattails of what's popular rather than give a damn about accuracy. (Though as I said, the alternate timelines featured in those shows have nothing to do with the kinds of universes Kaku was talking about. The show's presentation of that issue was a complete muddle.)
 
AKA..a theoretical physicist designs a starship! Check this out, Dr Michio Kaku designs a ship somewhat based around the theories presented..and not far from Star Trek's starship/warp technology, and presents it for approval from sci-fi fans.

http://science.discovery.com/videos/sci-fi-science-videos/

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The series continues with other staples of science fiction:

http://science.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=48.15730.127643.38766.6
Kaku must be a Vulcan.
 
Kaku had nothing to do with the ring design. He's just the host, and the "inventor" role he assumes in the show is pure fantasy. When he's not being a science popularizer, his actual specialty is string theory, not General Relativity. So he hasn't done any of the actual theoretical work on warp drive. And as a theoretical physicist, he deals in abstract equations. Coming up with the actual designs for technology is a totally different discipline, more engineering than physics.

And yeah, I know you were making a joke. It just gets my dander up when people take credit for other people's work. Even as a fictional conceit, he shouldn't be claiming to have "invented" what other scientists actually developed. It's obnoxious and self-aggrandizing.
 
Kaku had nothing to do with the ring design. He's just the host, and the "inventor" role he assumes in the show is pure fantasy. When he's not being a science popularizer, his actual specialty is string theory, not General Relativity. So he hasn't done any of the actual theoretical work on warp drive. And as a theoretical physicist, he deals in abstract equations. Coming up with the actual designs for technology is a totally different discipline, more engineering than physics.

And yeah, I know you were making a joke. It just gets my dander up when people take credit for other people's work. Even as a fictional conceit, he shouldn't be claiming to have "invented" what other scientists actually developed. It's obnoxious and self-aggrandizing.
Then you have a new subject for your blog/journal/rant.
 
Next you'll tell me he didn't do the 1980s-esque CGI himself!

Anyway, I will echo that whoever did design the ship, did a good job. Very pretty, actually prettier than the Vulcan ships from Enterprise, which were already that series' only scrape with good design.
 
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anyone watching season 2 of this show? I caught the first 4 episodes. Good topic choices. Not wild about the 'reveals'. It's cool how they incorporate actual sci-fi fans asking questions.
 
I saw the one about lightsabers. It pretty much tells you that lightsabers would theoretically be impossible to make the way you see them in Star Wars. What he had made was different enough to not really resemble a lightsaber. Overall, it's an OK show, but he's not at his best. I can see where Christopher's coming from though. He's using flimsy science to explain things, the same type of flimsy science used as a basis for TV shows and movies. Bad science is bad science even if you try to explain it away meaningfully. The universe is not going to suddenly work and bend the rules the way these designs are implying. As Scotty would say, "I cannae change the laws of physics!"

I have his book Physics of the Impossible, which I believe this show is based on, but the show would be more aptly called Physics of the Improbable.

I was annoyed when the reveal happened, which is more due to the show's structure itself. But he said, "Ok, now let's see what the fans think", and you see two or three people talk while the credits roll. What? You spend the whole episode trying to come up with something convincing to see if these fans felt it was close enough to a real lightsaber, which was a big point of the show, and you don't give enough time for that? How cheap is that?

Btw, for the record, we just got the Science Channel in Canada, and they've been doing a marathon of these, but I've got no idea which season they're showing.
 
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I'd Like to see the cut scenes of fans telling him what he got wrong. You know it has to be happening. He simply misses the mark too many times.
 
Yeah, exactly. I'd like to get a bit more of a reaction from fans instead of the credits rolling so fast. It comes across as, "Ok, we've done it. Now to see the fans and get the hell out of here before they tell us what they really think!"
 
I'm sort of curious to see how long he can keep this going. so many gadgets in pop science fiction are really variations on a theme, I'd expect he will start repeating himself pretty soon.
 
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