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Please help me identify this SF novel

Planetary

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Hey everyone,

I'm trying to remember the name of a book I read as a kid.

It already existed in paperback when I read it about 10 years ago, so I don't really know when it was published.

As for the plot: Humans (contemporary, I think) make contact with an alien race, via long-distance communications and not by any encounter, if memory serves. The new alien race is more primitive than us, but microscopic in size, and for them time moves much slower. As humans communicate with this race, human responses take the alien equivalent of decades or lifetimes to arrive.

Meanwhile, humans pass on technological secrets and information to this race, which uses it to develop rapidly. Correspondence that might have been the human equivalent of a few weeks equals generations for the aliens. Before long, they become far more advanced than humanity and show frustration in how long it takes humans to reply.

The protagonist, who I think was named Clif something, is able to live through multiple communications with humanity because his race has developed longevity (or immortality) technology.

I read this book while my family was staying with friends for a week at their beach house one summer. I found it on an old bookshelf, finished it quickly because it was raining non-stop for a couple days, and put it back where I found it. I have no idea if it's relatively obscure or well-known.

Do those details ring a bell for anyone?
 
Is this it?

Dragons' Egg by Robert L. Forward

"Dragon's Egg is a neutron star with a surface gravity 67 billion times that of Earth, and inhabited by Cheela, intelligent creatures that have the volume of sesame seeds and live a million times faster than humans. Most of the novel, from May to June 2050, chronicles the cheela civilization beginning with its discovery of agriculture to its first face-to-face contact with humans, who are observing the star from orbit."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon's_Egg

He also did a sequel called 'Starquake'
 
Definitely sounds like Dragon's Egg... :D
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Thanks guys!

It's gotta be Dragon's Egg. The only thing that gives me pause is the fact that, after a couple searches, I can't find any reviews or plot summaries that mention the main cheela character. That character rings out in my memory, so I'm surprised he's not mentioned in more detail.

But it's gotta be the same book. I really appreciate the ID, now I can go get a copy and re-read it, which is something I've wanted to do for a long time.

Thanks again, cheers!
 
It's gotta be Dragon's Egg. The only thing that gives me pause is the fact that, after a couple searches, I can't find any reviews or plot summaries that mention the main cheela character. That character rings out in my memory, so I'm surprised he's not mentioned in more detail.

I'm surprised that any character in a Robert Forward novel would stand out in anyone's memory. Forward pretty much epitomized the school of hard SF in which characterization (and prose quality) took a back seat to the scientific and technical elements. He was a brilliant physicist who came up with intriguing ideas and built his books around them, but he was, frankly, not a very good prose writer.
 
It's gotta be Dragon's Egg. The only thing that gives me pause is the fact that, after a couple searches, I can't find any reviews or plot summaries that mention the main cheela character. That character rings out in my memory, so I'm surprised he's not mentioned in more detail.

I'm surprised that any character in a Robert Forward novel would stand out in anyone's memory. Forward pretty much epitomized the school of hard SF in which characterization (and prose quality) took a back seat to the scientific and technical elements. He was a brilliant physicist who came up with intriguing ideas and built his books around them, but he was, frankly, not a very good prose writer.

I thought it was "thoughtless" and "grossly unfair" to suggest SF writers have problems with characterization.

In any case, I'm sure my experience reading this book as an adult will be different than reading it as a kid, but quite a few reviews seem to praise the character development of the cheela while describing the human characters as "flat."
 
I thought it was "thoughtless" and "grossly unfair" to suggest SF writers have problems with characterization.

It is unfair to make a blanket statement dismissing all science fiction as poor on characterization, just as it is always unfair to make a blanket derogatory statement about any large group. Stereotyping is always wrong, and it shouldn't be necessary to explain why. An informed critique of a specific individual is obviously a completely different thing.
 
I thought it was "thoughtless" and "grossly unfair" to suggest SF writers have problems with characterization.

It is unfair to make a blanket statement dismissing all science fiction as poor on characterization, just as it is always unfair to make a blanket derogatory statement about any large group. Stereotyping is always wrong, and it shouldn't be necessary to explain why. An informed critique of a specific individual is obviously a completely different thing.

By the same token, it's a bit rude to attack a new member of a forum by saying his post is "thoughtless" and "grossly unfair" and condescendingly suggesting I don't know why stereotyping is wrong.

I didn't say all SF is "poor on characterization," I said SF is not known for characterization. And as I pointed out, the characterization issues in SF are still discussed in literary blogs and reviews, and the series we were specifically discussing in that thread -- Revelation Space -- has been repeatedly criticized for having poorly sketched characters. Many of the reviews of the book lament the characterization as emblematic of SF, modern or classic.

Yet still, I was praising that series for its big ideas and mood, and I created the post so that like-minded SF fans might pick up the books and enjoy them as much as I did. Seriously, I intended to show enthusiasm for a great SF series, not engage in snark wars with folks who enjoy lording their supposed knowledge over others.

What's with the snark here?
 
Don't worry about the 'snarkiness', as I've yet to find a board that doesn't have it to some degree. The anonymity of the internet simply makes it easier for people to let their 'snark' out. I do it, you've probably done it, heck, if there's someone who has *never* done it, I'd like them to come forward and get a well deserved award! LOL!

Anyway, just roll with the 'snarkiness', as it's not going to go away anytime soon! ;-)
 
What's with the snark here?

It's the internet. I can guarantee you that if anyone ever makes a post or a comment, if there's one fiddly little detail that bothers a more obsessively-inclined geek, that geek will ignore the rest of the text and pounce, cougar-like, on that single detail and then probably engage in an elaborate petty war of words to prove he's right.

Tact, manners, and even a modicum of common sense are neither called for or expected.

I once argued for something like twenty pages of text as to whether or not Valeris said 'Ambassador Nanclus' when she was being mind-raped by Spock in TUC (she did, so hah!) so I'm not exactly immune to this tendency myself.

But we're not so bad. Really honest-to-goodness not. Except when we are.
 
Don't worry about the 'snarkiness', as I've yet to find a board that doesn't have it to some degree. The anonymity of the internet simply makes it easier for people to let their 'snark' out. I do it, you've probably done it, heck, if there's someone who has *never* done it, I'd like them to come forward and get a well deserved award! LOL!

Anyway, just roll with the 'snarkiness', as it's not going to go away anytime soon! ;-)
I dunno if Christopher is all that annonymous, since he's a SF writer and his full name isn't exactly a secret. ;)
 
Sounds like you guys just rubbed each other the wrong way, Planetary, as Christopher tends to be one of the most reasonable, level-headed, and intelligent posters I've encountered here, and there's nothing about your posts so far that makes me think you're any different.

Can we sing Kum Ba Ya now? :lol: ;)
 
I'm surprised that any character in a Robert Forward novel would stand out in anyone's memory.
Yeah, but when you're ten, Christopher, like I was when I first read Dragon's Egg, you don't really notice things like characterization. :)

It's one of those books I'd like to revisit, but I'm also afraid to revisit, because I'm afraid I'd come to it with a different set of assumptions and expectations and I would find it wanting.

There is a sequel, Starquake, in case the OP didn't know. I've never read it, though.

Looking at the Wikipedia article on the book, it occurs to me that there should be another sequel to the book, which won't happen because of Forward's death, about how the Earth deals with the influx of comets several centuries later due to the Dragon's Egg's disturbance of the Oort Cloud.
 
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