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Classic Doctor Who mythology stories

RoJoHen

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I've really gotten into nuWho recently, and while you can pretty much get the gist of his history, I'd really like to see some of the more classic stories firsthand.

I want to see the Time War. I want to see why the Daleks were so feared. I want to see the origin of the Cybermen. I want to see the Doctor's history with The Master.

I just have absolutely no idea where to start! There are quite a few DVDs available on Netflix, but I'm really just interested in the big mythology stories. Can anybody help me out?
 
Well, you won't get to see the Time War, as it's never been seen - only referenced. Dammit.
 
And the first serial with the Cybermen (The Tenth Planet) is missing its last episode...

As for the Daleks, they first appear in "The Daleks", which is a bit slow-paced for modern audiences. I think "The Dalek Invasion of Earth" is pretty impressive. I personally also like "The Chase", but it's more entertaining than fearsome. Of "The Dalek's Masterplan" only three of its 12 episodes (13 if you count "Mission To The Unknown") survive, which is a shame.

Well, that covers the 1st Doctor. I haven't yet gotten beyond that in my Classic Who watching.
 
I want to see the Time War. I want to see why the Daleks were so feared. I want to see the origin of the Cybermen.
You won't get those from Classic Who, but you can get the origin of the Cybermen in an audio story starring Peter Davison, called Spare Parts.
 
Genesis of the Daleks is probably a good choice, although the pepper pots themselves aren't in it as much as usual. It's really a Davros story.

The Master first appeared in Terror of the Autons, so that's a good choice. It's a sequel to Spearhead From Space, so perhaps you should watch that first.

The Deadly Assassin sets up a lot of Time Lord mythology, and should be on your list.
 
So somewhere between classic Who and new Who the Time War just happened?

Yep. It was RTD's narrative device that allowed room to maneuver between the two era's. It allowed him to change details he needed, with a simple, blanket answer. Also, it allowed him to imbue the title character with a personality device or motivation that he could use to cover general television character conventions. Beforehand, The Doctor....as an emotional person....is a blank slate. Only rarely was the audience allowed access to his personal pain or joy. Want a stiff upper lip Doctor? Watch the 5th Doctor barely blink an eye when his companion Adric gets killed. Modern stories would take a season to deal with the personal trauma he might suffer. Back then, it was glossed over in about five lines of dialogue. I mean, sure, Adric was a complete twat. But, still, if Tennant's going to get misty over a clone he's known for an hour, then he would have lost his mind over Adric. But, I digress... ;)

Anyway, while I support your intention to delve into Classic Who, I would add a few words of experience. A lot of what modern Doctor Who has built up in your mind as this impossible mythology of adventures and grandiose tales will absolutely not live up to your imagination.

For one, as you probably know, the budget back then was about as much as they pay the people that cater their lunches these days. So, it's pretty much a "stage play" environment. If you can't see past the surface-level of tv shows, then you won't enjoy old Who. It requires something that a lot of modern audience seems to lack: imagination. Now, it's not the modern generation's fault, though. The standards set by movies and television today is staggering. But, if you can't do without special effects, don't bother with Classic Who.

Second, a huuuge amount of what fans love about old Doctor Who is that it's a tie to their childhood. Nostalgia of the moments we lived through paint a picture of Doctor Who that cannot be matched by actual fact or show. So, when someone tells you how wonderful an episode is, you take that with a grain of salt. On the flipside, my wife (for example) has found some Classic Who to be just as good as I've told her. Sometimes better. So, in the end, it's all up to the individual.

That said, I too recommend Genesis of the Daleks, as well as the The Keeper of Traken/Logopolis/Castrovalva three-piece boxset. City of Death is a damn good Doctor Who (written by Douglas Adams). So is Caves of Androzani. But, those last two don't have The Master, Cybermen, or The Daleks in them. Try the 5th Doctor's Earthshock. And, as previously mentioned, the first Cyberman story The Tenth Planet is complete save for the final episode (of which pieces still exist, as well as audio recordings that will fill-in the rest of the story).

Sorry this thing is so long. :)
 
So somewhere between classic Who and new Who the Time War just happened?

Yep. It was RTD's narrative device that allowed room to maneuver between the two era's. It allowed him to change details he needed, with a simple, blanket answer. Also, it allowed him to imbue the title character with a personality device or motivation that he could use to cover general television character conventions. Beforehand, The Doctor....as an emotional person....is a blank slate. Only rarely was the audience allowed access to his personal pain or joy. Want a stiff upper lip Doctor? Watch the 5th Doctor barely blink an eye when his companion Adric gets killed. Modern stories would take a season to deal with the personal trauma he might suffer. Back then, it was glossed over in about five lines of dialogue. I mean, sure, Adric was a complete twat. But, still, if Tennant's going to get misty over a clone he's known for an hour, then he would have lost his mind over Adric. But, I digress... ;)

Anyway, while I support your intention to delve into Classic Who, I would add a few words of experience. A lot of what modern Doctor Who has built up in your mind as this impossible mythology of adventures and grandiose tales will absolutely not live up to your imagination.

For one, as you probably know, the budget back then was about as much as they pay the people that cater their lunches these days. So, it's pretty much a "stage play" environment. If you can't see past the surface-level of tv shows, then you won't enjoy old Who. It requires something that a lot of modern audience seems to lack: imagination. Now, it's not the modern generation's fault, though. The standards set by movies and television today is staggering. But, if you can't do without special effects, don't bother with Classic Who.

Second, a huuuge amount of what fans love about old Doctor Who is that it's a tie to their childhood. Nostalgia of the moments we lived through paint a picture of Doctor Who that cannot be matched by actual fact or show. So, when someone tells you how wonderful an episode is, you take that with a grain of salt. On the flipside, my wife (for example) has found some Classic Who to be just as good as I've told her. Sometimes better. So, in the end, it's all up to the individual.

That said, I too recommend Genesis of the Daleks, as well as the The Keeper of Traken/Logopolis/Castrovalva three-piece boxset. City of Death is a damn good Doctor Who (written by Douglas Adams). So is Caves of Androzani. But, those last two don't have The Master, Cybermen, or The Daleks in them. Try the 5th Doctor's Earthshock. And, as previously mentioned, the first Cyberman story The Tenth Planet is complete save for the final episode (of which pieces still exist, as well as audio recordings that will fill-in the rest of the story).

Sorry this thing is so long. :)
Not too long at all.

I know for a fact that old Who would be too dated for me to enjoy. It's not the special effects, though; i think it's more a question of pacing. That's one reason I'm not just trying to jump in and watch it all. I'm just interested in some of the stories that will maybe give a little extra backstory to what nuWho has already shown.

I actually just finished Season 4 of nuWho last night, and I think what really got me thinking about classic Who was Sarah Jane's reaction when she heard the Daleks...and then later when she saw Davros. She looked completely terrified! It made me wonder about her original encounter(s?) with them. They obviously made an impact!
 
Second, a huuuge amount of what fans love about old Doctor Who is that it's a tie to their childhood. Nostalgia of the moments we lived through paint a picture of Doctor Who that cannot be matched by actual fact or show. So, when someone tells you how wonderful an episode is, you take that with a grain of salt.

Well, in that case RoJoHen should totally follow my advice since I'm as new to the Whoniverse as he is (maybe even newer, I started watching the new series in April last year), so my view isn't tinted by nostalgia. ;)

The caveats you mentioned, The, as far as production values are concerned are, of course, valid and important. However, even though I belong to the 'modern generation', I've enjoyed the Classic Who I've watched so far immensely. I also think that for its time, it's really impressive and modern. can only speak for the era of the first Doctor. I now see Star Trek with different eyes because a lot of things were done on Who first (and often better) and overall, Who comes off as the more mature show (even though it was mainly aiming at children at the time).
Then again, I might be a special case, the exception to the rule, since I'm also a big fan of German silent movies. So, well, in summary, maybe RoJoHen shouldn't listen to me, after all...
 
Well, you won't get to see the Time War, as it's never been seen - only referenced. Dammit.
Not quite.

The destruction of Gallifrey in the Time War has been shown twice, in IDW's Doctor Who #1 (the first series, the one by Gary Russell) and in Lance Parkin's novel, The Endless.

The circumstances that led to said destruction have not been documented, however.
 
I do want to point out that I did see a random episode of old Doctor Who on TV about a year ago, and I found it entertaining (though for the life of me I cannot remember what it was about!).
 
actually just finished Season 4 of nuWho last night, and I think what really got me thinking about classic Who was Sarah Jane's reaction when she heard the Daleks...and then later when she saw Davros. She looked completely terrified! It made me wonder about her original encounter(s?) with them. They obviously made an impact!

She was more afraid of the Daleks than Davros, she even reminded him or their first encounter where he used a unique form of torture on her and Harry to get future imfomation out of the Doctor.
 
I must also recommend Genesis (it is currently voted the number one Doctor Who story btw). It deals with the origin of the Daleks (which contradicts the original daleks as they were presented but seems to be the way everyone since has dealt with them.
If you can look past the effects and some of the acting then all you have to worry about is the pacing. No story droped below three episodes (I think, I expect to be proven wrong in the next post). This allowed some stories to breath and develop as I wish some modern episodes would but it also dragged out a few tales far too much imo.
I am far from a classic who expert however.


P.S the dalek episodes are usually quote easy to spot for having Dalek in the title ;)
 
There are at least two serials with only two episodes - The Edge of Destruction and The Rescue, from the first Doctor's run.
I think Black Orchid is only two episodes, too.
 
^ Quite right. The Sontaran Experiment was also a two parter.

There was also Mission to the Unknown, which ran for just one episode. This was a special case however, as it was really just a prologue to the twelve part The Dalek's Masterplan, and the Doctor did not appear in it.

Towards the end of the original run they started making more three parters, in an attempt to increase the pace of the stories.
 
I'm an American who didn't start watching Doctor Who until 2003. These recommendations are not based on nostalgia.

Episodes that tie-in with the new series and are also good...

Genesis of the Daleks (Sarah and The Doctor meet Davros while on a mission from the Timelords- This is possibly the beginning of the Time War, though it wasn't called that)

The Time Warrior (The Doctor first meets Sarah Jane and the Sontarans are introduced)

Earthshock (Good story all around that involves the Cybermen)

Spearhead from Space (The Doctor begins his work with UNIT)

Inferno (The Doctor crosses into a parallel universe)

The Talons of Weng-Chiang (The Doctor crosses paths with a villain from the 51st century)

Revelation of the Daleks and Remembrance of the Daleks (Good Dalek stories that advance the Davros storyline)

Note: These are not in any kind of order. :)
 
^ Quite right. The Sontaran Experiment was also a two parter.

There was also Mission to the Unknown, which ran for just one episode. This was a special case however, as it was really just a prologue to the twelve part The Dalek's Masterplan, and the Doctor did not appear in it.

Towards the end of the original run they started making more three parters, in an attempt to increase the pace of the stories.

Two parters were a staple of Davison's era. In addition to Black Orchid, add The King's Demons and The Awakening.
 
I'm an American who didn't start watching Doctor Who until 2003. These recommendations are not based on nostalgia.

Episodes that tie-in with the new series and are also good...

Genesis of the Daleks (Sarah and The Doctor meet Davros while on a mission from the Timelords- This is possibly the beginning of the Time War, though it wasn't called that)

The Time Warrior (The Doctor first meets Sarah Jane and the Sontarans are introduced)

Earthshock (Good story all around that involves the Cybermen)

Spearhead from Space (The Doctor begins his work with UNIT)

Inferno (The Doctor crosses into a parallel universe)

The Talons of Weng-Chiang (The Doctor crosses paths with a villain from the 51st century)

Revelation of the Daleks and Remembrance of the Daleks (Good Dalek stories that advance the Davros storyline)

Note: These are not in any kind of order. :)

Thanks! Some of those are available to watch instantly on Netflix. I might try one tonight.


Random question: is the Face of Bo in classic Who, or was he strictly a nuWho creation?
 
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