The ONLY thing I hated about STXI (please explain)

[Disillusioned]

Me too. It is not, however, the typical case. I don't know why that is, but I don't think there's anything sexist about acknowledging that.

Not typical where I come from. Women generally don't have the same muscle mass as men, but you don't need brute strength to win a fight.

Though, as I said, making a general point about women isn't as interesting as a general point about Uhura. Nichelle Nichols' Uhura could have mopped the floor with all five of them. Zoe Saldaña... I'm not so sure, it depends on her interpretation of the character, and we just haven't seen enough of it to know.

That would make it a bad point against the movie then as far as I'm concerned, especially if we're supposed to believe these are the same characters.

Handle herself in a fight, or handle a drunken retard at a bar? I don't think she was trying to tell Cupcake that she was planning to beat up Kirk on her own.

Hurray, our hero is a drunken retard!

Not always needed, but again, the occurrence of which is far from uncommon. It is, in fact, the usual pattern for the eruption of bar fights in general, whether or not said meatheads actually know the girl they're fighting over (and my wife has occasionally and truthfully bragged at being the cause of at least two such incidents in the past four years).

Around here the police usually get called and the bartender basically puts them under citizen's arrest until the cops can actually get there to slap the cuffs on them. You know, the whole shotgun thing I mentioned earlier.

Speaking of stereotypes!

Actually in this case it was a statement of fact based on personal experience. But if you're saying that the "urbanite who thinks they're better than anyone from the country" is a pretty common stereotype for people from the city, I guess I'll just have to take your word on it.

 

[Ovation]

But if you're saying that the "urbanite who thinks they're better than anyone from the country" is a pretty common stereotype for people from the city, I guess I'll just have to take your word on it.

Hardly a one-way street. I live in a very urban area but often work with people from rural areas and the number of condescending comments about "uppity city-folk who couldn't survive five minutes of 'the real world'" is not small. One thing I've NOT noticed among rural inhabitants is the kind of oversensitivity to a throw-away line in a movie that was clearly NOT intended as a serious insult that some have displayed around here.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes, the "uppity" yet lost and out of his element city slicker who is saved by the wise country folk is a pretty common trope. Also the country fella comes to the city and teaches the poor misguded city dwellers a lesson or two.

 

[Trekker4747]

I'm not only surprised that brutish thugs that more-or-less should be extinct by the 23rd century promised by Roddenberry are still around, but that brutish thugs who pound the shit out of civilians aren't court-martialled.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm not only surprised that brutish thugs that more-or-less should be extinct by the 23rd century promised by Roddenberry are still around, but that brutish thugs who pound the shit out of civilians aren't court-martialled.

I think thats the 24th Century. In the 23rd you're confined to quarters and you get to catch up on your tech manuals.

 

[Disillusioned]

Hardly a one-way street. I live in a very urban area but often work with people from rural areas and the number of condescending comments about "uppity city-folk who couldn't survive five minutes of 'the real world'" is not small. One thing I've NOT noticed among rural inhabitants is the kind of oversensitivity to a throw-away line in a movie that was clearly NOT intended as a serious insult that some have displayed around here.

One thing I've noticed is that the disparaging remarks about "city folk" tend to have been provoked by disparaging remarks they've made first.

Yes, the "uppity" yet lost and out of his element city slicker who is saved by the wise country folk is a pretty common trope. Also the country fella comes to the city and teaches the poor misguded city dwellers a lesson or two.

And yet even then it's usually used as a way to poke fun at how quaint and/or backwards the "country folk" are, or to poke fun at some minority who fits another unflattering stereotype.

I'm not only surprised that brutish thugs that more-or-less should be extinct by the 23rd century promised by Roddenberry are still around, but that brutish thugs who pound the shit out of civilians aren't court-martialled.

I would have thought it would have earned them a night in lock-up at the very least, but you'd probably have to ask someone who's served about it. The police didn't show up, so technically it might not have counted as a civil involvement. I'm not sure if that would leave it up to Pike then as the senior officer on the scene, but that's a possibility to consider.

 

[Ovation]

Hardly a one-way street. I live in a very urban area but often work with people from rural areas and the number of condescending comments about "uppity city-folk who couldn't survive five minutes of 'the real world'" is not small. One thing I've NOT noticed among rural inhabitants is the kind of oversensitivity to a throw-away line in a movie that was clearly NOT intended as a serious insult that some have displayed around here.

One thing I've noticed is that the disparaging remarks about "city folk" tend to have been provoked by disparaging remarks they've made first.

Bullshit. Neither "side" has a monopoly on narrow-minded views of the other.

Yes, the "uppity" yet lost and out of his element city slicker who is saved by the wise country folk is a pretty common trope. Also the country fella comes to the city and teaches the poor misguded city dwellers a lesson or two.

And yet even then it's usually used as a way to poke fun at how quaint and/or backwards the "country folk" are, or to poke fun at some minority who fits another unflattering stereotype.

More bullshit. You're really reaching to make "country folk" into martyrs. It's not very convincing.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes, the "uppity" yet lost and out of his element city slicker who is saved by the wise country folk is a pretty common trope. Also the country fella comes to the city and teaches the poor misguded city dwellers a lesson or two.

And yet even then it's usually used as a way to poke fun at how quaint and/or backwards the "country folk" are, or to poke fun at some minority who fits another unflattering stereotype.

Nah, it's used to show how out of touch or corrupt city folks are.

 

[Disillusioned]

Bullshit. Neither "side" has a monopoly on narrow-minded views of the other.

I'd say you're right about that, but only in the sense that I'm sure most people don't really care either way unless someone manages to say something stupid. Like say, "I thought you only had sex with animals out here."

More bullshit. You're really reaching to make "country folk" into martyrs. It's not very convincing.

Actually no, I'm not, I'm just discussing what I've seen in movies for myself.

Nah, it's used to show how out of touch or corrupt city folks are.

Only if they're another minority, like say Jewish. For the most part there's still just the stereotype pushed of the "simple country folk" and how quaint or backwards they are compared to "normal" people.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Nah, it's used to show how out of touch or corrupt city folks are.

Only if they're another minority, like say Jewish. For the most part there's still just the stereotype pushed of the "simple country folk" and how quaint or backwards they are compared to "normal" people.

What?

 

[M'Sharak]

Just let it lie. That horse is dead, and has been for quite a while. There's nowhere left for that discussion to go, other than to continue a long, downward spiral of

That's not true.
Yes, it is.
No, it isn't!
Yes, it is!
No, it isn't!
(repeat, ad nauseam)
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How dreary. I'll pass on that, given a choice, and I'll recommend everyone else give it a miss from here on out.