Bits you consider to still be canon

[sbk1234]

If this has been discussed, sorry.

We all know that this flick takes place in an alternate reality. All fine and dandy. However, some of the parts of the film are, in my opinion, downright incredible and right on the money.
What aspects of the "New reality" do you want to include in the official, prime-universe canon?

For me, I love how Spock rejects the admisision to the Vulcan Science Academy. I think it was done in such a way that could have caused Sarek to be pissed off enough to not speak to him for 18 years.

I love the unofficial explaination of how Kirk managed to cheat the Kobayashi Maru, tricking that girl to download a virus.

How about you folks?

 

[Cyke101]

If this has been discussed, sorry.

We all know that this flick takes place in an alternate reality. All fine and dandy. However, some of the parts of the film are, in my opinion, downright incredible and right on the money.
What aspects of the "New reality" do you want to include in the official, prime-universe canon?

For me, I love how Spock rejects the admisision to the Vulcan Science Academy. I think it was done in such a way that could have caused Sarek to be pissed off enough to not speak to him for 18 years.

I love the unofficial explaination of how Kirk managed to cheat the Kobayashi Maru, tricking that girl to download a virus.

How about you folks?

For all we know...

-Sulu was a young lieutenant (but I doubt he'd be the YOUNGEST lieutenant)
-Chekov was a child prodigy
-McCoy really was driven to the poor house by his ex-wife

I'm still iffy on Scotty, and Uhura seems to have a normal enough education and career (nuKirk and Nero nothwithstanding).

 

[Alientraveller]

Well I reckon Kirk would've befriended McCoy at the Academy, used a virus to win the Kobayashi Maru and met Spock (who took a break from duties with Pike) at the subsequent hearing, in which Kirk got a commendation for original thinking. Spock himself - yes, the racial reason for him going to Starfleet was right on the money.

I also like that Kirk recognized Uhura's talents and raised her from being a peon to communications officer of the Enterprise. I also like that McCoy decided to go into outer space because of his divorce - although I wasn't keen on the origin of his nickname simply because I used to joke it was because he had a 'bone' to pick with everything.

I also like that Archer lived to a ripe old age, was active at Starfleet and still loved beagles and would've offered his dog for Scotty's transwarp experiment - and was powerful enough to have him exiled on Delta Vega for about a year.

 

[sbk1234]

I have heard DeForest Kelly explain that the real origin for McCoy's nickname was because people used to call doctors "Sawbones." I still think of that as my personal canon.

 

[Arlo]

"I love the unofficial explaination of how Kirk managed to cheat the Kobayashi Maru, tricking that girl to download a virus"

I prefer to think of Kirk having the skills to hack the test himself. As this virus bit is not in the final cut of the movie, that interpretation remains valid, fortunately.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I have heard DeForest Kelly explain that the real origin for McCoy's nickname was because people used to call doctors "Sawbones." I still think of that as my personal canon.

The explanation from the movie was flatly idiotic.

 

[Creedence]

I have heard DeForest Kelly explain that the real origin for McCoy's nickname was because people used to call doctors "Sawbones." I still think of that as my personal canon.

The explanation from the movie was flatly idiotic.

Nah, it's a good way to explain it.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The version in the movie makes as much sense as Kelley's version - more, since "sawbones" is already archaic usage now.

 

[pookha]

i could see spock being on break teaching at the academy in between postings on the enterprise.
it is very possible she was in for a refit during this period of time.
so it is possible spock and kirk at first were adverserial due to kirk's cheating in the koybashi maru.

the years may have been different but yeah i can see that.

i also could see both kirk's having a rebel streak when they first come into the service and an event gets them to shift.
with the movie kirk is the destruction of vulcan ect while with shatners kirk i see it as the attack on the farragutt and the death of his mentor captain and other crew.
for which he blamed himself.

the difference being the pine kirk had a chance to redeem himself during the course of the movie.

i could also see scotty being a bit of a brillant rebel.
he didnt have any problems at all back taLking authority figures in the show.

chekov as science prodigy acutally fits with chekov often acting as second to spock.

 

[sbk1234]

i also could see both kirk's having a rebel streak when they first come into the service and an event gets them to shift.

Except, in Shore Leave he described himself as a cadet being "downright grim." McCoy also described him as being extremely serious. That doesn't sound like a rebel, to me.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It also doesn't sound like someone who'd cheat to win a "test of character," yet Kirk did.

If all statements previously made about Kirk's youth in onscreen Trek are taken at face value, anything is possible.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

i also could see both kirk's having a rebel streak when they first come into the service and an event gets them to shift.

Except, in Shore Leave he described himself as a cadet being "downright grim." McCoy also described him as being extremely serious. That doesn't sound like a rebel, to me.

But we never actually get to see Kirk *at the academy* except when he's taking the Kobayashi Maru test. For all we know, even nuKirk could really have been that grim when he was there. True, he's a bit of a goofball during the test, but that doesn't have to be representative of his entire time there.

 

[KirkSpockTOSFan]

I have heard DeForest Kelly explain that the real origin for McCoy's nickname was because people used to call doctors "Sawbones." I still think of that as my personal canon.

I didn't even know that. I have watched TOS for years but never understood why Kirk called McCoy "Bones" all the time. And I begain to understand after seeing this movie why McCoy was called "Bones" it makes more sinse now. Besides that I noticed the tribble in the cage on the desk were Scotty was sitting at when Kirk and Spock Prime discoverd Scotty.The tribbles were part of TOS, so I was suprised when I saw the tribble in the new movie.

 

[Iamnotspock]

I have heard DeForest Kelly explain that the real origin for McCoy's nickname was because people used to call doctors "Sawbones." I still think of that as my personal canon.

I didn't even know that. I have watched TOS for years but never understood why Kirk called McCoy "Bones" all the time. And I begain to understand after seeing this movie why McCoy was called "Bones" it makes more sinse now.

Yeah, in the days when doctors would have to amputate gangrenous limbs they were often given the common nickname "sawbones". At least that was Gene Roddenberry's intention, but that wouldn't really work for a modern audience as even now the phrase has long since passed out of common usage. On the DVD commentary of the new film J.J. mentions that it was Karl Urban who came up with the "bones" line.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

For me, I love how Spock rejects the admisision to the Vulcan Science Academy.

Me too. Spock is quite obviously pissed when he says "Live long and prosper" to the council. He absolutely PWNED the racist bastards.

 

[BenRoethig]

i could see spock being on break teaching at the academy in between postings on the enterprise.
it is very possible she was in for a refit during this period of time.
so it is possible spock and kirk at first were adverserial due to kirk's cheating in the koybashi maru.

the years may have been different but yeah i can see that.

The only way that would have been possible is if Spock had been assigned to Starfleet Academy directly after his own commissioning in 2351. Remember, Prime Kirk graduated on time in 2354, the same year and the Talos IV incident. The only time they would have had to know each other is the year overlap when Spock was a first class and Kirk was a pleb or before Spock was assigned to the Enterprise.

 

[Sector 7]

Well I reckon Kirk would've befriended McCoy at the Academy, used a virus to win the Kobayashi Maru and met Spock (who took a break from duties with Pike) at the subsequent hearing, in which Kirk got a commendation for original thinking. Spock himself - yes, the racial reason for him going to Starfleet was right on the money.

I also like that Kirk recognized Uhura's talents and raised her from being a peon to communications officer of the Enterprise. I also like that McCoy decided to go into outer space because of his divorce - although I wasn't keen on the origin of his nickname simply because I used to joke it was because he had a 'bone' to pick with everything.

I also like that Archer lived to a ripe old age, was active at Starfleet and still loved beagles and would've offered his dog for Scotty's transwarp experiment - and was powerful enough to have him exiled on Delta Vega for about a year.

Pike actually put Uhura in to replace the Communications Officer.
While Scotty used Archer's beagle, I very much doubt it was offered to him for that purpose. Scotty used the beagle without permission and when said puppy disappeared, he exiled Scotty.
I liked the explanation Urban came up with for McCoy's nickname. Sawbones is archaic enough that most viewers would never make the connection. It is already canon that McCoy is divorced and chose space, so it fits logically.