Waters of Mars Comment & Grading SPOILERS
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Is that Brain Cox doing the voice over in that trailer, sounds like him.
I think the plot was indeed reminicent of the impossible planet and other similar episodes, but I think that the exploration of the doctor on his own as a time lord unfettered of his own restraint is brilliant. I think it was some really good plotting there, and yes brilliant teaser for next months finale, only another 35 days or so!
I did think about getting Jelly Babies, but everywhere was shut when I finished work, so I didnt.Jelly Babies are evil!
sadly you are correct.
anyways this episode, I think in the first 40 minutes it was nothing specail, its not until we see its effect on the Doctor that the episode becomes good.
Sure the Dalek is a nice moment, however there are also moments like the shuttle exploding and the fire burning on Mars surface, fire needs oxygen, where is it getting that oxygen from?
moving on, actually going back, like the story did to Journeys End, I hated the 10th Doctor arrogance of assuming he should survive, that the 10th Doctor is more important than the 11th, and this episode follows up on that really.
This episode is like alot of the others, the Doctor lands on a space ship/station/base and something starts to pick the crew off 1 by 1, there was nothing really scary about this episode, and I didnt really care about crew, however unlike say Planet of the Dead we get a very dramatic ending, that makes the episode.
Am I the only one to wonder if the Master is the good guy, the guy who has to stop the Doctor?
^The liquid oxygen in the rocket?
i thought it was awesome. the water creatures were nowhere near as scary as the Doctor.
that guy's got a shit load of pride and i think he's heading for a very big fall...
that guy's got a shit load of pride and i think he's heading for a very big fall...
Fantastic, loved it. The setup was a little slow and a bit 'Doctor Who cliché' but then I think that was sort of the point - you're meant to see a standard formulaic run around a lot and save the day plot coming along and then the spanner gets thrown in the works and suddenly the Doctor's part in it is epic.
For an episode which Tenant spent a lot of in a helmet looked agonised, this was a truly impressive character episode for the 10th Doc.
By the way, what was the significance of the Ood at the end? I think I missed something.
For an episode which Tenant spent a lot of in a helmet looked agonised, this was a truly impressive character episode for the 10th Doc.
By the way, what was the significance of the Ood at the end? I think I missed something.
possible, however would that not all be burnt up in the big bang?
anyways when I said the flood wasn't scary, isnt it more theDoctors attitude and him thinking he is about to die, that was scary?
Gadget was fun as well.
What? You think the Tenth Doctor assumes he is more important than the Eleventh? I completely disagree with you. If anything, I see it as The Doctor believes he is truely going to die this time, he even said it in this episode, he didn't say regenerate, he said die. But for the first time in his life, he knows this is going to happen and is shouting at the universe for this, thinking he can change stuff at his own will. He became very arrogant yes, but not because he thinks he is more important than his successor.
More importantly, this seems to be more of a vessel for the next few episodes. I don't think it'll be The Master that will be the true antagonist of the next two episodes, but The Doctor himself, and it'll take his companions to show him the error of his ways and bring The Doctor back to "sanity". All the while, The Time Lords return, along with The Master (the only way I can think of him coming back is WITH The Time Lords, and not because of them.
Touching again on the second thing I've quoted. I think The Master AND The Doctor will be antagonists, but in completely different ways. The Master, still as evil as ever (although, I'm thinking the events of WoM ressurected all the Time Lords, and The Master will take credit for it), and The Doctor will be an antagonist because now he's reckless and believes he can change time at his will, and doesn't care for the people involved, but as I said, The Doctor will turn around because of his companions.
Of course, I could be completely wrong
.it was a hallucination of Ood Sigma, who was the one who told TenDoc 'your song is ending soon'.
Okay, I haven't seen it....but based on comments here, it's made me rethink the title "End of Time". I know the Master comes back, and when I've heard the title, I've generally thought of the Master at the end of the time in his first NuWho appearance. But from what's been said about changing a fixed point.....I wonder if it means the end of time itself because something so fundamental has been changed?
Or maybe I'm just slow and that's been the general feeling all along? I'm wondering if we don't get a kindof Trek 09 thing going.....what if the Tardis looks new, not because it regenerated, but because certain elements have been altered\reset and we're back at the begining. Smith could be the first doctor in this altered reality....it also solves the problem the Doctor being near the end of his regenerations (they've never mentioned the 12 limitation IRC in the new series, so who knows if it even exists now).
And it also allows the slate to be wiped clean, while like Trek 09, still acknowledges what came before.
I dunno that I'd have a problem with that. Tho' I still love the Doctor being the only Timelord and a lonely wanderer.
Or maybe I'm just slow and that's been the general feeling all along? I'm wondering if we don't get a kindof Trek 09 thing going.....what if the Tardis looks new, not because it regenerated, but because certain elements have been altered\reset and we're back at the begining. Smith could be the first doctor in this altered reality....it also solves the problem the Doctor being near the end of his regenerations (they've never mentioned the 12 limitation IRC in the new series, so who knows if it even exists now).
And it also allows the slate to be wiped clean, while like Trek 09, still acknowledges what came before.
I dunno that I'd have a problem with that. Tho' I still love the Doctor being the only Timelord and a lonely wanderer.
Good character moments saved this for me since the plot made no sense - the aliens were never explained, an Ood appeared for no reason. Why was the Doctor scared of the Ood? It he is the rules of time and the highest power in the universe, why fear the Ood or whatever the Ood represents? I don't know what David Tennant is doing next, but he should definately consider playing a loon, he does it so well.
HIGHS
Doc tells Duncan she had to die.
The Doc walking away as hell discovered its handbasket.
The Doc realising his power and going quite, quite barmy (and scaring one of the crew in the process who ran away to hide in the snow.)
Duncan pointing out that a corrupt insane doctor wasn't a good thing.
Duncan ensuring her Granddaughters future.
The tie into the stolen Earth episode.
LOWS
What was the point of aliens again? Who were they?
Cheesy robots.
Chessy jetpack robots.
How exactly did the robot get them from that room to the Tardis?
The plot as a whole.
The fact that the BBC sold this as the scariest episode of Who EVER! Water lifeforms aren't scary, if any ever attack me, I'll just boil them in my kettle. So there.
HIGHS
Doc tells Duncan she had to die.
The Doc walking away as hell discovered its handbasket.
The Doc realising his power and going quite, quite barmy (and scaring one of the crew in the process who ran away to hide in the snow.)
Duncan pointing out that a corrupt insane doctor wasn't a good thing.
Duncan ensuring her Granddaughters future.
The tie into the stolen Earth episode.
LOWS
What was the point of aliens again? Who were they?
Cheesy robots.
Chessy jetpack robots.
How exactly did the robot get them from that room to the Tardis?
The plot as a whole.
The fact that the BBC sold this as the scariest episode of Who EVER! Water lifeforms aren't scary, if any ever attack me, I'll just boil them in my kettle. So there.
but the 10th Doctor did regenerate and decided that his time was not up, and cheated it so he could stay, I do wonder if that has anything to do with the bigger picture we have not yet seen.
I think the 10th Doctor was speaking for himself not the 11th, 12th or other Doctors, he has cheated his death once before, now he knows his borrowed time is up, he is going to rage against death becasue it is the only thing he can do, he knows he wont be allowed to cheat a 2nd time.
I think the 10th Doctor was speaking for himself not the 11th, 12th or other Doctors, he has cheated his death once before, now he knows his borrowed time is up, he is going to rage against death becasue it is the only thing he can do, he knows he wont be allowed to cheat a 2nd time.
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