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2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discussion

Grading

  • Excellent

    Votes: 8 17.0%
  • Above average

    Votes: 17 36.2%
  • Average

    Votes: 9 19.1%
  • Below average

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Poor

    Votes: 11 23.4%

  • Total voters
    47
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

I think the movie was fucking fantastic. I don't understand the harsh criticism? What are people expecting from this genre of movie? It was perfect execution, absolutely thrilling and bone chilling as well.

I will say that it does drag near the end and it's a bit over-long, and the cliches are out in full force with enthusiastically manipulative score to back them up, but I don't really care.

It's not often you literally get short of breath and have a racing heart beat from watching a movie. This is one of those times.

EXCELLENT.
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

^^^^Tongue firmly planted in cheek, I presume?

--Ted
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

I think the movie was fucking fantastic. I don't understand the harsh criticism? What are people expecting from this genre of movie? It was perfect execution, absolutely thrilling and bone chilling as well.

One of the most important elements of a Great Big Disaster Movie is central characters you can care about. In this case, I was supposed to be identifying with the family from Pasadena. Every minute with them was bereft of emotion. I cared more about the family of the scientist who first discovered the problem. And what was his screen time? 90 seconds?
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

I think the movie was fucking fantastic. I don't understand the harsh criticism? What are people expecting from this genre of movie? It was perfect execution, absolutely thrilling and bone chilling as well.

Well, I think the issue is that some can't turn off the critic in their brain and just enjoy a pure entertainment movie. 2012 isn't about substance; it's about a bunch of amazing, unbelievable stuff that happened. I would liken it to a tall tale such as Paul Bunyan or Pecos Bill; and I imagine even those had some people beating their fist on the table ("No way 'n hell that man was ridin' a turnayda! Breaks the laws a physicality I tell ya!")

Personally, I thought 2012 was great. I don't think I would go out of my way to see it again; but if I'm flipping around the dial and stumble across it, I would probably leave it on the channel and watch it.
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

I think the movie was fucking fantastic. I don't understand the harsh criticism? What are people expecting from this genre of movie? It was perfect execution, absolutely thrilling and bone chilling as well.

Well, I think the issue is that some can't turn off the critic in their brain and just enjoy a pure entertainment movie. 2012 isn't about substance; it's about a bunch of amazing, unbelievable stuff that happened. I would liken it to a tall tale such as Paul Bunyan or Pecos Bill; and I imagine even those had some people beating their fist on the table ("No way 'n hell that man was ridin' a turnayda! Breaks the laws a physicality I tell ya!")

Personally, I thought 2012 was great. I don't think I would go out of my way to see it again; but if I'm flipping around the dial and stumble across it, I would probably leave it on the channel and watch it.
My only objection is I simply couldn't get emotionally invested in the central story -- an ordinary family without influence or money, trying to save themselves. Nothing these characters said or did induced me to like them so that I would care whether or not they died.

In R.E.'s previous global disaster films, "Independence Day," (145 minutes) and "The Day After Tomorrow," (124 minutes) he actually included some character development so I was given a reason to give a damn.
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

Man, the theater is packed right now. Got in 45 minutes early for the 1:30 showing. I was shooting for the 1:00 show, but it was way too crowded ...
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

I think the movie was fucking fantastic. I don't understand the harsh criticism? What are people expecting from this genre of movie? It was perfect execution, absolutely thrilling and bone chilling as well.

Well, I think the issue is that some can't turn off the critic in their brain and just enjoy a pure entertainment movie. 2012 isn't about substance; it's about a bunch of amazing, unbelievable stuff that happened. I would liken it to a tall tale such as Paul Bunyan or Pecos Bill; and I imagine even those had some people beating their fist on the table ("No way 'n hell that man was ridin' a turnayda! Breaks the laws a physicality I tell ya!")

Personally, I thought 2012 was great. I don't think I would go out of my way to see it again; but if I'm flipping around the dial and stumble across it, I would probably leave it on the channel and watch it.
My only objection is I simply couldn't get emotionally invested in the central story -- an ordinary family without influence or money, trying to save themselves. Nothing these characters said or did induced me to like them so that I would care whether or not they died.

In R.E.'s previous global disaster films, "Independence Day," (145 minutes) and "The Day After Tomorrow," (124 minutes) he actually included some character development so I was given a reason to give a damn.

You nuts? The Day After Tomorrow was a pile of shit. In both the entertainment aspect and the character aspect.

I don't know why you claim theres no character development, the first half hour of the movie is totally low key spending time with these characters. I totally disagree on that front, I felt very invested in them.

It's only towards the end after they land in China that I started to lose some interest. But then it finished on a really poetic bookend and I felt good about it again.

^^^^Tongue firmly planted in cheek, I presume?

--Ted

Not at all. Meant every word.
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

That film is, for it's kind of film, just perfect.
It's disaster porn of the finest sort.

Excellent.
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

To the surprise of no one, early Friday estimates have 2012 leading the way at the box office with $23,761,000. At 3,404 locations, that's an average of $6,980.

For comparison, Quantum of Solace opened at about the same time last year and made $27,007,026 at 3,451 locations for a per theatre average of $7,826. It went on to make $67,528,882 by the end of the weekend. If 2012 has a similar pattern at the box office, it should bring in about $55-60 million over the weekend. Of course, there's no guarantee it will follow QOS' pattern, but I guess we'll have a better idea by tomorrow.
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

I thought it was apretty good movie and it exceeded my expectations. I was hoping to see a mindless action flick, but there were a few tearful moments as ell. A disaster action film with a heart!
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

Hilarious. I left my brain and logic at the door and just went in and enjoyed the silliness. I was laughing out loud in the theater at the over-the-top destruction. Great fun.

Not as good as ID4, but better than the gawdawful The Day After Tomorrow.

Good doomer porn.

The family stuff? *snore!* Didn't care.

My brother and I kept whispering to each other "Well if you're going to try to bring logic into it!" when one or the other would say "Why didn't they do this?" or "No way they'd survive that because (reason)." (No one was near us, so we could chitter-chatter quietly like that.)
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

No, even leaving the brain and logic at the door doesn't help with this one. Just leaving's one's entire self OUTSIDE the door is the only way.

--Ted
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

I rated it "Above Average" since I didn't expect it to be as good as it turned out to be.

Enjoyed the whole thing without thinking about science or anything.

An early scene in the movie has Adrian ( unpronounceable real name btw) Helmsley tell the Indian scientist "She grows more beautiful each time I see her" referring (I think) to the Indian scientist's wife!! I had a momentary qualm as to whether I was watching disaster porn or something else... :lol:

I thought it was good fun without anything being glaringly takes-you-outta-the-movie bad like uploading viruses into the alien ships using a Mac!!
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

2012

Rated PG-13 for intense depictions of global disaster and some language.


My Grade: A generous C+

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Quick! Name the top 4 vehicles you'd last pick to be in to survive the Apocalypse! I'll wait.

...

...

Done? If you picked:

1. A limousine
2. A 20-year-old RV
3. A Piper twin-engined airplane.
And 4. A Russian vintage jumbo cargo jet.


You are officially smarter than the characters in this movie. Congrats... for all that that is worth.

2012 is absurd. Absurd on so many levels it's hardly funny, well it actually is funny. Where I said this past summer's "Transformers 2" raped every sense in your body, this movie does the same to your common senses, it's surprisingly gentle to your other senses.

2012, as you well know and expect, takes place during the end of the Mayan Calendar, instead of planning to blow horns and sing "Auld Lang Syne" people expected the Earth to say "fuck you, life!" and just go bat-shit crazy. Although this movie dispenses with things expected to happen in 2012 and just sort of makes up its own thing. For this movie, a series of super-solar storms on The Sun are going to bombard our planet with "a new kind of energy" that will super-heat the core and mantle allowing the crust to free-flow on top of it and cause all kinds of nonsense. ("But, Trekker," you say, "if this solar radiation is super-heating the mantle wouldn't it also do the same to the crust and everything on it?" Yes, yes it would. But never-mind logic!)

So this movie sets up various series of characters we're supposed to invest our emotions into. First we have John Cusak, a struggling novelist divorcee who's taking his children to a camping trip in Yellowstone, his trip is cut short when his ex-wife calls him and the kids home early. He's lucky too because she called him back home early from vacation in time for him to be called by his boss to be reamed out for being late. (!) The ex-wife is played by Amanda Peet who fills our comely ex-wife quotient for a Roland Emmerich movie. Later on in the movie, with his wife and kids in tow, Cusak's character will out run the collapse of the entire Pacific Coast in a limousines, including driving through collapsing buildings and dodging crumbling freeways. He'll later out-run the eruption of the Yellowstone super-volcano in an RV he borrowed from and underused Woody Harrleson (playing a conspiracy nut with a radio-station in said RV.) Along for the ride also is Peet's boyfriend who's a pilot with two lessons, he manages to fly said twin-engine aircraft and Russian jumbo-jet through collapsing continents and parks despite likely never having set foot in a plane yet.

This group, along with a Russian billionaire, his bratty kids and his mistress fill our "average joes" quotient of the characters.

On the other-side of the spectrum we have the "experts and government characters." Our expert is a geologist who predicts all of this going to happen, poorly, and is a constant head to head struggle with one of the President's chief advisers (played by Oliver Platt.) The expert is played by Chiwetel Ejiofor who's pretty much a poor man's Denzel Washington while also getting a lot more bang for your buck.

Seriously, the guy is awesome and probably the best actor and thing about this movie. Ejiofor has advised the President -and other world leaders- to build a handful of arks in the Himalayas designed to protect a few thousand people from the cataclysms in an effort to preserve our species, our "everyday heroes" struggle to make it to these arks, despite the slim likelihood they'll get on them.

Emmerich pulls out pretty much every action-movie cliche there is in this movie, there's the woman who desperately wants to save her dog, people trapped behind water-tight bulkheads, people running from fireballs, you name this movie has it. Tell me, how often have you seen the smart, caring, scientist guy get in a shouting match with the cold-hearted stuffy government guy?

As Emmerich fare goes this movie delivers, the man knows how to create an SFX spectacle and even play on character cliches but he fumbles when he tries to do anything with characters. He tries to put too much drama into these characters and movie and it doesn't work. Not that the actors can't handle drama it's just that Emmerich can't write, or direct it. As I said Ejofor does pretty good in the movie despite the terrible material.

Another decent performance in the movie is Danny Glover playing POTUS, but there's the missed opportunity of him grumbling, "I'm too old for this shit!" at some point after dealing with an aspect of the crisis.

This movie is pretty fair. It's probably worth seeing for the Special Effects, which are very well done, on the big screen but the movie does feel it's running time (2.5 hours) and the character/drama scenes are... a lot to take. You'll also likely roll your eyes so much you'll get a detached retina from all of the nonsense these characters do and go through. For example, you're trapped in an ship's dry-ballast tank. You've got to get to a wenching mechanism that's powerful enough to lift a door the size of 20-story building but not powerful enough to crush a small power-tool and rip it's cord. The ship you're on is moments away from crashing into Mt. Everest which it won't survive, unless the gear is cleared and the door closes. (Because the ships engines can't work with the door cracked... for some reason.) Do you a)get to the problem and correct it as soon as you can? Or do you b)stop to have a tender moment with your estranged son an ex-wife first?

This movie is absurd, but kind-of a fun absurd in a Emmerich sort-of way.

Again, it's long but probably worth seeing for the special effects on the big screen but if you miss it, you're not out much. It's a good time-waster which is about all I wanted, so in that way it succeeds as a movie.

It fails in every other way, however.
 
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Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

I enjoyed this movie more than I thought I would. It was a crowd pleaser, and an experience that only works best on the big screen. Sure, there were a lot of coincidences and impossibilities but it was fun.
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

To the surprise of no one, early Friday estimates have 2012 leading the way at the box office with $23,761,000. At 3,404 locations, that's an average of $6,980.

For comparison, Quantum of Solace opened at about the same time last year and made $27,007,026 at 3,451 locations for a per theatre average of $7,826. It went on to make $67,528,882 by the end of the weekend. If 2012 has a similar pattern at the box office, it should bring in about $55-60 million over the weekend. Of course, there's no guarantee it will follow QOS' pattern, but I guess we'll have a better idea by tomorrow.
The movie was #1 this weekend and brought in $65 million.
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

Another decent performance in the movie is Danny Glover playing POTUS, but there's the missed opportunity of him grumbling, "I'm too old for this shit!" at some point after dealing with an aspect of the crisis.

Good one! :techman:

What's the main company doing the special effects?

Peet is getting older now but still :drool: - worthy!

I got a little uncomfortable with some of the scenes - the USS JFK destroying the White House ( even tho' I grinned inwardly at the pun) and the scene with St. Paul's cathedral going down.

We should start a poll for most groan-inducing moment in the film - I'd submit the crack in the Sistine Chapel thru Michaelangelo's mural as being particularly groan-worthy! :p
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

Most groan-inducing?

The conspiracy guy's video/exposition piece.
 
Re: 2012 (John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Woody Harrelson) Grading & Discuss

The USS Kennedy is retired, has been tied up in Philly in mothballs for years. Kinda silly to use that as opposed to any other active duty carrier named after a President. The USS Lincoln, USS Wasington, hell alot of people would have laughed more at the use of the USS George H. W. Bush. A little attention to detail can make a anything so much better.
 
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