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V: 1x01 "Pilot" 11/3/2009 - Grading & Discussion

V: 1x01 "Pilot" 11/3/2009 - Grading & Discussion

  • Excellent

    Votes: 27 18.8%
  • Above average

    Votes: 60 41.7%
  • Average

    Votes: 40 27.8%
  • Below average

    Votes: 11 7.6%
  • Poor

    Votes: 6 4.2%

  • Total voters
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I need something cleared up(had some distractions while watching)- was the FBI lady's partner one of the aliens?

Yeah.

thanks!

I have a feeling they are sort of "spiking the water supply" ...those healing centers...very suspiscious.


The new version was simply too much too quickly without giving us or the characters a chance to really absorb the monumental nature of what was happening. Perhaps the writiers decided that since the Visitor's "secret" was not much of a secret anymore, they saw no reason to drag it all out. I can appreciate that logic, it just hurts the story.

well there's also the fact that this being a sci-fi show on a network, that they knew they werent going to have the luxury of having a lot of episodes to take their time telling the story. Go too slowly and they run the risk of getting cancelled before the aliens even land on earth! It sucks but that's network tv for you.

Was it great? no...but some of these nitpickers are going a bit too far. I found the Obama/Visitor parable quite interesting. It was only last year when, off mic, Kieth Oberman was preparing to interview Obama and Obama's PR person told Oberman not to ask any questions that would show Obama in a negative light...throw in the alien universal healthcare/obama care and I think you have a cloaked message about a media being to infatuated about a leader...and a public to easy to be led...

Oh..and I voted for Obama, just to let you know. I still think to this very day that Hillary was the better choice, but oh well...

Rob
 
I really liked it. The episode was well constructed. Not too slow like Heroes...with a really good moody music like District 9. On top of that it was Yves Simoneau as director, a fellow Quebecer. Man, he come a long way since "Dans le ventre du Dragon"...amazing that a small sci-fi film in french launch him so far away. He is pretty good, so I think we can expect a good series from V, if he does more...but usually he sticks to movies.

I want to remind peoples who compare this to District 9, and such recent movies...that V was one of the first. The V series deserve some respect in that manner. The only one I can think of was The Invaders, that was similar and was also a precursor...more psychological tho.

But you can see the influence of recent movies in the pilot, and that's just fine with me. I can't wait for the rest...
 
In retrospect, I can think of a prime example of the problems that the script had. We shouldn't have been told by the guy in the resistance cell that the V's were reptilian. We should have found that out when Erica hit Dale and broke the mask. Telling us ahead of time took at least half the whollop out of that moment. All we needed was that moment as filmed, without the telling in advance, to give us the "they've been among us for a long time" "they're reptilian" and they're bad guys reveals all at once. But no, we get spoon-fed the information in the most ham-handed manner possible instead of letting the events show the story. Instead of letting that moment have some major dramatic impact on the story, all it does is tell us that her partner's one of them. They tried to cram a novel's worth of story into a short-story format. A good writer could do that. Would that a good writer had gotten their hands on this script before principal photography.

Totally agreed. None of these storylines were properly developed at ALL. Towards the end it was becoming almost laughable how many big "revelations" were getting thrown at us at once (hell, I'm surprised they didn't put the alien baby in there too!)

As for giving the show a chance to improve? Sorry. Much like ENT in the 4th season, no amount of good writing can change the fact that the damage has already been done to the series. They've already shot their wad and ruined most of the best ideas.
 
Agree 100%. All three shows began with an intriguing idea but quickly turned into churning soap suds. The intriguing idea was the hook to get you to watch the show, but in Jericho it turned into oh, LOOK, the evil Bush-like gummint did this to us. Yay false flags! (*snore!*) and the soap-opera romance of a brother.

In Jericho, I wanted more reaction to the NUKE STRIKES. And also, how people reacted to the loss of electricity.

FlashForward had an awesome idea, but it's turned into a cop show. Quick, catch them before they strike again. *snore!* Very little panic on the part of humanity, who should have been freaking out, very little on the aftermath (accidents, damage) from the incident.

Now this. No slow seduction of the people, with them only realizing later that the Visitors might not be such a good thing, but wham, bang! they're horrid lizards! Quick! Fight 'em! And the cliched bit with the mother and son on opposite sides. Again, I say *snore.*

I rarely give new shows a chance, as they suck. This is my third attempt, the other two being Jericho and FlashForward. Each time I'm disappointed. Obviously, I'm way out-of-step with what John Q. Audience likes to see.

Back to documentaries and history shows, I guess.

Like said above, it's like Flash Forward. Everyone just took the whole thing in stride, other than mentioning what they saw it seems like eveyone has completley forgotten that the whole fucking planet blacked out for 2-some minutes and that thousands have died. And the hospital seems surprisingly calm considering how many injured people there'd likely be.

:rolleyes:

Interesting, engaging, premises like this shouldn't be just brushed aside.

It's sort-of like when Jericho first came out -before the hiatus afterwhich I understand it took its premise more seriously- everyone seemed to fairly quickly or shrug-off that nuclear bombs had been detonated around the country. Nope, it's ok. We'll just have friggin' bar-b-q on picnic tables damp with rainwater tainted with the likely radioactive ashes of a major American city. :rolleyes: Nope, we need to have more family-fun angst!

:rolleyes:
 
Before I say anything, I should note that I missed the first 15 minutes of the show.

While it certainly picked up towards the end, I was disappointed. The pacing was off, and the teen angst stuff was atrocious. Why can't anyone write a believable kid?

The Visitors raid on the resistance meeting also gave me a chuckle. Leaving aside the fact that the advanced alien infiltrators attacked with knives for some reason, the whole operation was pretty poorly executed. A 3rd world police force could have pulled off a far more successful raid than that. You'd think that with all their advanced technology they could manage to cover all the exits and ensure that nobody got away.

I'll tune in again next week, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
 
FlashForward had an awesome idea, but it's turned into a cop show. Quick, catch them before they strike again. *snore!* Very little panic on the part of humanity, who should have been freaking out, very little on the aftermath (accidents, damage) from the incident.

Flashforward definitely hasn't lived up to the promise of the pilot, but at least they're taking the time and properly developing the stories they ARE telling, with characters that feel at least a little believable.

I'll take that over the clumsy, rushed, and hacky storytelling of V any day.
 
I also thought it moved way too fast. I sympathize with the producers; the average TV viewer has the attention span of a gnat, and as we have seen many times before, slow reveals in televised sci-fi are a one-way ticket to cancellation. But I would have really preferred at least a two hour premiere before we got to the lizard skin.

The Visitors raid on the resistance meeting also gave me a chuckle. Leaving aside the fact that the advanced alien infiltrators attacked with knives for some reason, the whole operation was pretty poorly executed. A 3rd world police force could have pulled off a far more successful raid than that. You'd think that with all their advanced technology they could manage to cover all the exits and ensure that nobody got away.

I chalked the knife use up to not leaving any evidence of extra-terrestrial violence, but I suppose that doesn't explain the crystal ball of death (maybe we will find out in a subsequent ep that those shooting spines melt away or something.) But yeah, their tactics could have been better.
 
Reposting my review from the Ex Isle BBS:


It had its moments, but generally I wasn't too impressed. There were too many modern TV-series cliches. It seems every network genre show these days (or at least both the ones on ABC this season) needs to have agents investigating terrorism and to begin with a cataclysmic event.

I felt the story was too compressed; there wasn't any explanation of why there were protests against the Visitors, for instance, and there was too little introduction of supporting characters such as Anna's assistant. And yet at the same time, it felt rather slow-paced and not very engaging until the resistance meeting. Odd for a story to feel at once rushed and uneventful.

The idea that the Visitors have been infiltrating us for years is kind of an interesting twist, and I'm amused by the implication that Bush and/or Cheney (the engineers of "unnecessary wars" and policies that destabilized the economy) were actually alien infiltrators out to destroy us; it kind of explains a lot. But I'm not crazy about replacing Kenneth Johnson's historically meaningful allegory about the rise of fascism with this kind of facile paranoia about an overreaching Them being responsible for all our present problems -- especially a conveniently alien Them that's easy to hate. In fact, the more I think about it, the more that disturbs me. The original V was an allegorical condemnation of Nazism, but this one seems to be built around the very same kind of ideas that the Nazis encouraged: that everything that's wrong with our lives is the result of an inhuman enemy conspiring to destroy us and that militant xenophobia is our only hope of salvation.

I don't care for the way this show has redefined the red V graffito as a symbol endorsed by the aliens themselves. That's historically naive. The V in the original was part of Johnson's WWII allegory -- V for victory was the symbol of the Allies and the anti-Axis resistance forces, and thus symbolized the human resistance in the miniseries. This was even woven into the music of the original miniseries (by frequent Johnson collaborator Joe Harnell), which made use of a "dot-dot-dot-dash" rhythm representing the Morse code for the letter V, which was one of the ways the "V for victory" meme was represented during WWII. (Beethoven's 5th Symphony was used to represent this as well during the war, since its famous opening notes have the same structure -- and perhaps because 5 is V in Roman numerals.) The new series is apparently trying to have it both ways -- the V graffito is an underground symbol of the alien invaders, yet the aliens are the dominant power and it's the humans who have an underground resistance? That's just disjointed. It suggests a lack of thematic focus.

I'm also not crazy about the fact that, even though they changed or updated virtually everything about the premise, they kept the one thing that I always found most unsatisfying about the original: the whole "lizards under the skin" thing. Not only is it implausible on multiple levels (that any alien would be shaped exactly like us except for the skin, that any mask could be that perfect, that more people wouldn't question the coincidental resemblance), but it always rubbed me the wrong way morally, in that it promoted the facile notion that pretty = good and ugly = evil. In the original miniseries, the scene where the Visitors' true nature was first revealed, the mere fact that they looked different from us was presented as something horrific in itself, and the characters' revulsion toward their appearance was treated as an acceptable or appropriate reaction. I always found that a misstep in the original, and I would've liked to see the true nature of the aliens handled differently here.

If I'd been the one to develop a V revival, I wouldn't have repeated the cheesy "They inexplicably look exactly like us and are hiding the fact that they're lizard people" thing. I think that if aliens came along, looked just like us, spoke our languages fluently, and had names like "Anna," yet claimed they'd just met us that very day, there'd be a lot more suspicion that they were engaged in deception. (At least in the original, they admitted that they were adopting Earth names for our convenience.) What I would've had them do was openly admit that their true forms were alien but that they had taken on a human form (through some more complex transformation than just putting on a fake skin over an exactly human-shaped alien body) in order to better function in our world and put us at ease. Then the shocking revelation wouldn't have been anything as simplistic as "Eek, they look like lizards so they're evil!" They would've already defused that kind of base appeal to xenophobia by being honest about that superficial transformation. And convincing people that they were engaged in a deeper level of deception would've been more challenging.

And I still hate the interview scene just as much as when it was previewed a few months ago. It's so damn unsubtle and heavy-handed, the way Anna comes right out and puts into words that she doesn't want to be cast in a negative light and that she's bribing the reporter with the promise of career advancement. There are much more subtle ways those points could be gotten across. I just consider that to be a very badly written scene.

It's too early to say much about most of the cast, except that there are few standouts. Morena Baccarin is certainly effective as Anna, and that really is a good look for her in this role. The only other one I really liked, though, was Alan Tudyk, who's just a guest star. And I rather disliked Scott Wolf as the reporter. He has a high, reedy voice that just doesn't sound like a reporter's voice, and isn't very pleasant to listen to. And I just found him generally unappealing aside from that. I'm also not pleased to see Laura Vandervoort here; I've never cared for her much.

I guess my highest praise would go to the production design on the Visitor ships. Whoever's responsible for the designs has managed to honor the broad strokes of the original ship designs while updating them very effectively. The motherships are more or less round but are very unlike the hamburgerish flying saucers of the original (and in that bit on TV where the sci-fi geek was dismissing Independence Day as a ripoff of earlier sci-fi, it's a cinch that was an allusion to the original V -- though that was in turn an homage to Childhood's End). The shuttles bear an impressionistic resemblance to the original shuttles without looking anywhere near as boxy. But though the designs were excellent, the execution and compositing of the CGI effects looked kind of cheap. Whenever actors were in a virtual set or a digital object (like the levitating apples) was matted into a live background, you could see the seams pretty easily.

So overall, it's a mixed bag. It has some interesting elements and a number of boring and cliched elements, some interesting cast members and lots of less impressive cast members, some excellent production values and some weak production values. Overall, though, I feel that at its core, it's missed the point of V, and what's in its place isn't very admirable.
 
I don't care for the way this show has redefined the red V graffito as a symbol endorsed by the aliens themselves. That's historically naive.

That bothered me a lot, actually... the scene of the Holocaust survivor teaching the kids how to spray the V on their posters correctly is the seminal image of the old show for me.

So do we use oV and nuV now? :p
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I don't care for the way this show has redefined the red V graffito as a symbol endorsed by the aliens themselves. That's historically naive.

That bothered me a lot, actually... the scene of the Holocaust survivor teaching the kids how to spray the V on their posters correctly is the seminal image of the old show for me.

So do we us oV and nuV now? :p
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I liked the scene. I also liked how, on the old V, scientist were being rounded up like the Jews were..that gave the old miniseries some weight. And if they start rounding up those, like the LOST babe, who dont agree with the Vs, then it is a good message to show kids of today about following, blindly, someone you know nothing about...

Chickens have come home to roost!!!

Rob
 
And I still hate the interview scene just as much as when it was previewed a few months ago. It's so damn unsubtle and heavy-handed, the way Anna comes right out and puts into words that she doesn't want to be cast in a negative light and that she's bribing the reporter with the promise of career advancement. There are much more subtle ways those points could be gotten across. I just consider that to be a very badly written scene.

Actually that was the only scene I actually DID like. I thought it was nicely written (I loved how abrupt the request was) and had a nice foreboding quality to it.

Obviously it would have been a LOT more effective later in the story though. Like just about every other revelation in the pilot, it should have been saved for later-- after the Visitors had taken a lot more time to establish themselves as harmless and benevolent.

As it is, they're revealed to be evil and sinister so damn EARLY that it makes the reactions of the populace look even more ridiculous.
 
Premiere got pretty good ratings: 8:00 p.m. ABC – V (series premiere) Viewers: 13.76 million (#2), A18-49: 4.9 rating/13 share (#1) 8:30 p.m. ABC – V (series premiere) Viewers: 14.13 million (#2), A18-49: 5.1/13 (#1)
 
Premiere got pretty good ratings: 8:00 p.m. ABC – V (series premiere) Viewers: 13.76 million (#2), A18-49: 4.9 rating/13 share (#1) 8:30 p.m. ABC – V (series premiere) Viewers: 14.13 million (#2), A18-49: 5.1/13 (#1)

I feel that will decline sharply
 
Premiere got pretty good ratings: 8:00 p.m. ABC – V (series premiere) Viewers: 13.76 million (#2), A18-49: 4.9 rating/13 share (#1) 8:30 p.m. ABC – V (series premiere) Viewers: 14.13 million (#2), A18-49: 5.1/13 (#1)

I feel that will decline sharply

Wasn't the show the Shiznazzle for network Scifi? Human looking aliens that don't even use rayguns like in the original. The suits will love the cheapness and all those unfortunate people without cable will probably watch out of sheer boredom.
 
I only vaguely remember the original, but I do remember many of the salient points, so I knew basically what to expect. The pilot felt rushed, really rushed, like it was a pitch show edited together from the first several episodes to show to network execs or advertisers. While I didn't have trouble keeping up, it did suffer from not having the time to breathe.

That said, I can also see the benefit. Most folks know they're lizards and they're up to no good and there's humans against them and some for them. Now, lets get on with it. I wouldn't mind seeing some flashbacks to those first few weeks, or even better, longer eps on the eventual DVD set.

Even with the problems, I'm still looking forward to seeing where this is going. A four episode investment is worth my time, esp with two Firefly vets. I'm also interested in picking up the original DVD.
 
Whoever did the matte painting for the inside of the mothership (when the 2 kids first see it), needs to be careful where they get their source material. The blatant use of a real building stood out for me. This one here:
http://www.universpain.com/images/sevilla/sevilla.jpg

Many SF productions use real buildings as filming locations. Starfleet Headquarters in Trek is the Tillman Water Reclamation Plant. The Power Rangers' original Command Center, as well as the Camp Khitomer outpost in Star Trek VI and the home of Lore's Borg in TNG's "Descent," is the House of the Book at the Brandeis-Bardin Institute. The Vulcan council chamber in the new ST movie is the Skyrose Chapel in Whittier, California. And so on.
 
You know, every criticism about the plausibility of any given sci-fi show or movie often falls flat when it begins with this...

In the real world...

That's the problem. Sci-fi often doesn't use the "the real world" when it comes to its concepts. Sure, there have been shows like the the X-Files that use "the real world" as a foundation, but it's only that. From there they often stretch beyond what is common in "the real world". Yes, even in such "realistic" sci fi like Gattica and 2001: A Space Oddessy.

If things in "the real world" are of such a concern for those people, then they should kindly turn in their Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5, LOTR and other SFF related materials and tune into such shows that are firmly in "the real world" such as Mad Men, Sons Of Anarchy and the like. I go for SFF to get away form "the real world" for a few hours, thank you very much.
 
So guys, I'm not usually this mean about TV shows, but I just have to flat out give this pilot a "Poor" it earned a big fat F for Fail from me. So many problems with it I don't know where to begin.

It in no way shape or form grabs me and makes me want to watch the rest of the series.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out then.
 
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