Those make perfect sense seeing how we learned how bitterly cold and hostile Rura Penthe is in both TUC and "Judgment(ENT)." Plus, such masks could also be a traditional/cultural thing for some guards to wear within the Empire.
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Those make perfect sense seeing how we learned how bitterly cold and hostile Rura Penthe is in both TUC and "Judgment(ENT)." Plus, such masks could also be a traditional/cultural thing for some guards to wear within the Empire.
I don't know about "done better," but certainly "done in more depth" That's probably to be expected in that TOS Klingons made like half a dozen appearances, no two of which featured even one recurring character, in a show with almost zero continuity, while Cardassians made dozens of appearances, including numerous recurring characters, in a show that included continuity.
The connection between TOS and TNG Klingons is so tenuous that they really might as well be two different species.
And I also think J.J. and his team were at least sort of aware about the canonical ENTERPRISE explanation for the absence of Klingon head ridges in the old series. And not wanting to show a lot of human, "normal" looking Klingons without pizzazz or elaborate makeup he just decided to avoid the issue altogether by having the guards wear masks...thereby satisfying all camps(for the most part).
Someone at Trekmovie made this comment, which I found pretty funny:
Someone at Trekmovie made this comment, which I found pretty funny:
Yeah. That one IS really f'ing funny. Like Nero or not...you gotta admit that much.
Put that way, yeah, it's good for a chuckle... until one realizes that the first wait is 20-something years for the opportunity of escape from imprisonment in Rura Penthe to present itself, and the second a necessary but self-imposed hunkering down for mere days at the calculated coordinates until it's time for the wormhole to spit out the Jellyfish ship so they can grab it (along with the red matter) and really get down to business. The scales are different enough that the juxtaposition of cherry-picked lines stops being all that funny.Someone at Trekmovie made this comment, which I found pretty funny:
Yeah. That one IS really f'ing funny. Like Nero or not...you gotta admit that much.
Sometimes the dialogue in a movie...even a REALLY great movie...doesn't hold up to logical scrutiny.
You know, given how many other things are mirrored in this movie -- Kirk jumping/driving off things and hanging by his fingertips a lot; Kirk saying "weird" first about Gaila's statement and then about the Jellyfish computer recognizing Spock's voice; Kirk's smartass "Captain" to Uhura in the Kobayashi Maru simulation and her sarcastic one to him after he assumes command; Spock's beatdown at the hands of Vulcan schoolmates and his beatdown of Kirk on the Enterprise bridge, just to name a few -- the two lines may well be intentionally (logically?) related in the same way. But is it really all that funny? You make the call.Sometimes the dialogue in a movie...even a REALLY great movie...doesn't hold up to logical scrutiny.
You know, given how many other things are mirrored in this movie -- Kirk jumping/driving off things and hanging by his fingertips a lot; Kirk saying "weird" first about Gaila's statement and then about the Jellyfish computer recognizing Spock's voice; Kirk's smartass "Captain" to Uhura in the Kobayashi Maru simulation and her sarcastic one to him after he assumes command; Spock's beatdown at the hands of Vulcan schoolmates and his beatdown of Kirk on the Enterprise bridge, just to name a few -- the two lines may well be intentionally (logically?) related in the same way. But is it really all that funny? You make the call.Sometimes the dialogue in a movie...even a REALLY great movie...doesn't hold up to logical scrutiny.
I know if I had just broken out of a hard-labor prison after 25 years I wouldn't then say "hey, let's wait a little longer." Just my two cents'.
What else were they going to do? They'd already escaped and they'd traveled to the place where they had to be to intercept Spock. They should say "Hurry up, Spock. You'd better show up right now, 'coz we're not in the mood to wait up for you or your red matter"? Now, that could have comedy value, but it might be out of place.I know if I had just broken out of a hard-labor prison after 25 years I wouldn't then say "hey, let's wait a little longer." Just my two cents'.
What else were they going to do? They'd already escaped and they'd traveled to the place where they had to be to intercept Spock. They should say "Hurry up, Spock. You'd better show up right now, 'coz we're not in the mood to wait up for you or your red matter"? Now, that could have comedy value, but it might be out of place.I know if I had just broken out of a hard-labor prison after 25 years I wouldn't then say "hey, let's wait a little longer." Just my two cents'.
DAMN the logic of writing good dialogue and scenarios! DAMN THEM TO HELL!!!
I am very interested in why the guards seem so.. trepidatious of Nero. I wonder how he behaved that made him stand out from all the other thugs in the prison.. and if his coming from the future made him seem different.
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Very possible. And maybe the Klingons who sentenced him there deliberately allowed stories of him coming from the future to circulate so as to intimidate and scare other prisoners into greater obedience and conformity to the rules.
Very possible. And maybe the Klingons who sentenced him there deliberately allowed stories of him coming from the future to circulate so as to intimidate and scare other prisoners into greater obedience and conformity to the rules.
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