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Smallville - 9x06 "Crossfire" - Discussion and Spoilers

Grade the episode

  • SUPER! (Excellent!)

    Votes: 4 16.0%
  • Chlovage (Good)

    Votes: 13 52.0%
  • Clark Kent (Average)

    Votes: 4 16.0%
  • Vapid Lana (Poor)

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • Bizzaro (Terrible)

    Votes: 3 12.0%

  • Total voters
    25
Well, I think that does it for me and Smallville. I couldn't even stick with this one - I kept channel surfing and discovered that Kitchen Nightmares is on the Food Network at the same time. Watching a restaurant fail is more interesting for me, I guess. :shrug:
 
But all of these are just my educated guesses. Given that I have seen every episode as it has aired, read comics since around 1970, and done a few other things that are hard to explain, the pieces of this puzzle weren't hard to put together for me. I may have some details wrong, but I am certain of the overall theory. It makes sense.

Funny, I remember you saying very similar things to me in a discussion about last season's finale, where you were adamant that Bart Allen was going to die, and you had this whole theory regarding the Speed Force which you'd pieced together, yet pretty much stated as fact. That turned out to be waaaay off base.

Not that I'm necessarily disagreeing with your theory about the Kandorians - it's a reasonable enough theory that would certainly jive with the situation. Still, as was pointed out, you probably shouldn't be giving it out as THE answer, when it's nothing more than an educated guess.
 
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Wow. I've stuck through really bad patches with this show because I find it generally entertaining, but this episode was one of the worst ever.

The script was abysmal. I think the writing team is allergic to exposition of any kind. I'm all for keeping it to a minimum, but you need at least a line or two to successfully build a scene.

It was choppy, "on the nose" (which is not a compliment), and almost every character was just plain "wrong". Character arcs were tossed out the window and actors looked just downright uncomfortable with a lot of the terrible dialogue they had to utter.

Zod is a laugh. He's about as threatening as a Girl Scout who didn't get paid for an order of cookies. The actor, who was passable on Dead Like Me, just doesn't have it.

The editing looked like some kid using Final Cut Pro for the first time.

The one scene which MIGHT have been interesting (the dispatching of the Kandorian goon) happens off-camera. I guess for a desired "whoa" effect.

And the whole, ridiculous morning show thing.

What a horrible contribution to the series.

At least we got to see a super-cliched Cat.

Man, get back on the track, Smallville, or sack the higher-ups.

--Ted
 
Wow. I've stuck through really bad patches with this show because I find it generally entertaining, but this episode was one of the worst ever.

The script was abysmal. I think the writing team is allergic to exposition of any kind. I'm all for keeping it to a minimum, but you need at least a line or two to successfully build a scene.

It was choppy, "on the nose" (which is not a compliment), and almost every character was just plain "wrong". Character arcs were tossed out the window and actors looked just downright uncomfortable with a lot of the terrible dialogue they had to utter.

Zod is a laugh. He's about as threatening as a Girl Scout who didn't get paid for an order of cookies. The actor, who was passable on Dead Like Me, just doesn't have it.

The editing looked like some kid using Final Cut Pro for the first time.

The one scene which MIGHT have been interesting (the dispatching of the Kandorian goon) happens off-camera. I guess for a desired "whoa" effect.

And the whole, ridiculous morning show thing.

What a horrible contribution to the series.

At least we got to see a super-cliched Cat.

Man, get back on the track, Smallville, or sack the higher-ups.

--Ted

I completely agree. I'm also finding Lois Lane to be more annoying than anyone else. I liked Lana better. I'm sick of her jokey, cockly "smallville" banter.

When the Green Arrow is become more interesting than Superman on a series about Superman, then something's very wrong. Also, when you keep thinking "just die" about Lois Lane on a Superman series, that's extremely weird.
 
Superheroics is to lesbian sex like the redblue blur is to Watchtower.

She doesn't need his help, and she may not even want it any more. Chloe has outgrown the boy of steel. he's weighing her down when it's time for her to save the day but he can't seem to get out of the way when he's not even invited to the weekly meetings anymore.

This episode was a collection of flipside/bplots. No meteorfreak. No huge colourful event. This was Sienfeld. An episode about nothing. A shock to the system for sure, but I liked it.
 
The Dagman...I agree with you that the solar towers are what you said they were for but I swear they looked like a double L. The remind me a little of the B-13 Lexcorp Tower. If they remain...at least when Lex returns he won't have to pony up for a new building, he has two already in tact lol. Chloe was indeed looking fine but Tess was hotter! Erica was great in her blue dress too.
 
I would love to see a spin-off with Justin Hartly & Elise Gatien(She is hot!)

What would it be called??? Green Arrow, Arrow, Star City, Green Arrow & Speedy?
 
I'd like to see a Green Arrow spin off with Justin and Elise as well...with Justin having grown a goatee. Green Arrow would do fine for a title. Maybe Star City if you wanted to go the Smallville route and name it after the town.
 
Not a spectacular episode by any means but my God, it was actually enjoyable, from start to finish! I didn't want any (or all) of the characters to go DIAF at any point and found the sillier moments funny rather than awful.

Not up to Metallo's standards, but this is definitely an improvement over the last few episodes.
 
But all of these are just my educated guesses. Given that I have seen every episode as it has aired, read comics since around 1970, and done a few other things that are hard to explain, the pieces of this puzzle weren't hard to put together for me. I may have some details wrong, but I am certain of the overall theory. It makes sense.

Funny, I remember you saying very similar things to me in a discussion about last season's finale, where you were adamant that Bart Allen was going to die, and you had this whole theory regarding the Speed Force which you'd pieced together, yet pretty much stated as fact. That turned out to be waaaay off base.

Not that I'm necessarily disagreeing with your theory about the Kandorians - it's a reasonable enough theory that would certainly jive with the situation. Still, as was pointed out, you probably shouldn't be giving it out as THE answer, when it's nothing more than an educated guess.

That's true. I did wind up way offbase about that finale. Read too much into some things. Didn't expect the intro of a little Jimmy to cover the "destined mythos" and their killing of the Jimmy on the show as the death of a technical veteran. So yeah, I've been wrong before. So take that for what you will.
 
Color me not impressed. I did like seeing the Green Arrow and Speedy pairing, but this show just seemed mashed together. There are at least two separate storylines that might've worked better getting more screen time separately. I didn't see the beginning so I don't know why Ollie took such interest in Mia, but I'm at least glad they didn't make her Speedy by the end of the episode.

As for Lois/Clark, I was hoping they would make an in-joke there about "Lois and Clark" for the morning show. I don't mind the idea of them being on a morning show, but it strikes me as a little odd that the show's producers would pick two unknowns. I liked the Cat Grant 'cameo' though.

Why Green Arrow couldn't handle a regular pimp is beyond me. It just seemed like they had to insert Clark in there at the end because it's his show. Also, they have to have an action sequence I guess. But why not have a show where Clark and Lois can come to some type of understanding without the requisite damsel in distress story.

Also, I'm not sure about Chloe and the new hacker dude, if they're going to put them together or not. It seemed like they might put her with Ollie to me, but perhaps not.

As for Zod, I'm just not feeling this guy. I loved Stamp's Zod and generally want to see more of Zod whenever possible. I even like the Zod from the DC comics Last Son/New Krypton arcs. But this Major Zod is lame. He's not lethal. They are trying to make him a badass, but he's lacking something. Sam Witwer had that darkness. He took Davis Bloome, a character I was all set up to hate and give him this inner darkness that made him terrifying and sympathetic at the same time. Also, Brian Austin Green made the most of his short run as Metallo, and of course John Glover, Michael Rosenbaum and James Marsters set the Smallville villainy bar pretty high. I think there's a definite problem when I feel more threatened by Tess, who is a good villain too, than I do Zod, since the writers seem to have a mad on for him. Tess as the main antagonist would be fine with me. She has that dark side, Zod doesn't.
 
As for Lois/Clark, I was hoping they would make an in-joke there about "Lois and Clark" for the morning show..

They kind-of did put an in-joke in there with the morning show, the standee with Lois pulling Clark by the tie was used in some of the publicity photos with Cain and Hatcher for the Lois and Clark series.
 
As for Lois/Clark, I was hoping they would make an in-joke there about "Lois and Clark" for the morning show..

They kind-of did put an in-joke in there with the morning show, the standee with Lois pulling Clark by the tie was used in some of the publicity photos with Cain and Hatcher for the Lois and Clark series.

That was also a Pretty Woman movie poster reference, as was the hooker with the bob wig and the thigh boots.
 
It seemed in this episode that Clark also demonstraed he has another one of Superman's "powers." That being tactile invulnerability -since his shirt wasn't harmed by the bullets striking him.
 
- Never thought I'd see General Zod in a suit, sipping champagne at a party and becoming the CEO of something. Only on Smallville. :lol: And if that's not enough, there he was sipping latté at a sidewalk café. Maybe I shouldn't laugh. Terence Stamp might have done the same eventually. I can see that. :o

- Cat Grant was a surprise.

- The "Good Morining" opening theme had me thinking I had the wrong show on for a second or two.

- Who was that Ollie was training? It came off like he was prepping a new Black Canary or something. Mia huh? I feel like she's supposed to be part of the DC universe but I'm not getting anything. I'll get to your comments in a minute if you guys do know who she is.

- How many first kisses have Lois and Clark had? I lost count.

Should we just call this season Green Arrow instead of Smallville?
Sure, why not.

So Ollie picks up random street hookers now?

He picks them well, got to give him that.

They're going to go back to his penthouse and have a nice little romantic comedy next. There'll be a scene with him rejected/approving of outfits she tries on by the half-hour mark.
Not this time. Hopefully soon.

He should be sure to wear a condom...

The character of Speedy in the comics was a hooker and she had HIV.
So it's Speedy is it? Maybe this one will have AIDS too.

Ollie do you ever wear a shirt anymore?
He's getting dressing tips from Matthew McConaughey.

I don't think he had sex with her

Oh, my, poor, sweet, naive Brent.

;)
They didn't have sex. Yet.

Have they ever tried to explain how "Super-Hearing" works and Superman can hear things faster than the speed of sound could travel?
It's probably more of a psychic/intuitive thing combined with the super hearing. They did that in Superman Returns and again a few weeks ago in an episode. Sort of.

For a moment there i thought they were going to pull a Superman Returns thing there with the bullet hitting his eye, heh. It was cool when Clark stopped the bullet right before hitting Olivers eye though.
Looked like he wasn't going to get that bullet.

Digging Callum Blue as Zod and I thought the bit with Tess at the end was awesome.
What did she do?

Pretty Woman reference overload! :eek:
Ah! Pretty Woman! Good catch.

The structure could easily be modified to make the double L's and the holograms did seem to have a base that extended outward slightly. In reality the hologram was really a replica of the Petronas Twin Towers which (oddly) does seem to look like a double L because of the base.
I didn't think it looked like those towers. The ones in the hologram were of a different design and they were farther apart.

Zod is a laugh. He's about as threatening as a Girl Scout who didn't get paid for an order of cookies. The actor, who was passable on Dead Like Me, just doesn't have it.
He's good. He just isn't Zod. I'm over it though and he seems to be working well enough.

Off to look up Speedy.

Elise Gatien looks more like a cross between Lacey Chabert and Amy Jo Johnson, you know, the pink ranger.
 
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I think Mia "Speedy" Dearden(Elise Gatien) is swell.

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