Female "Red Dwarf" fans?

[Bob The Skutter]

The "real" Kochanski was the one played by the squeaky voiced lead singer of Altered Images.

I know. I suppose the Kochanski that we got was the Kochanski that was typical of a cruel and unusual Dwarf universe - ie Lister got what he wanted but it wasn't what he wanted!

Ah, but she was the same aside from she found out about Frankenstein and saved her, flashbacks showed us that.

 

[ITL]

Women aren't supposed to like Monty Python? Really?

One wonders why they would, given how ridiculously over-the-top most of the pepperpots are, and they're 99% of all female characters in Python. Any characters that Carol Cleveland would play are relatively rare.

Hmmm.

Funnily enough, I do not recall hearing my mum and sister complain about the lack of female characters they could identify with when we all watched Python on the tellybox all those years ago...I recall that they laughed as much as me and my dad did. Still do, in fact.

Oh - and they like Red Dwarf as well.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Women aren't supposed to like Monty Python? Really?

One wonders why they would, given how ridiculously over-the-top most of the pepperpots are, and they're 99% of all female characters in Python. Any characters that Carol Cleveland would play are relatively rare.

Hmmm.

Funnily enough, I do not recall hearing my mum and sister complain about the lack of female characters they could identify with when we all watched Python on the tellybox all those years ago...I recall that they laughed as much as me and my dad did. Still do, in fact.

Oh - and they like Red Dwarf as well.

I don't recall people ever complaining about "characters they can relate to" until I started reading American comments on the internet.

 

[WillsBabe]

I don't get this "characters who I can relate to" thing. Do people mean that they are looking for characters who are like them, or who have some aspect that they, too, have? I never really got that. Something appeals to me because it's about the Human condition, or it asks interesting questions, or it puts people in circumstances and builds up on them. I like people stuff, but I've never needed it to relate to me, particularly or find characters who I can relate to.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

I don't get this "characters who I can relate to" thing. Do people mean that they are looking for characters who are like them, or who have some aspect that they, too, have? I never really got that. Something appeals to me because it's about the Human condition, or it asks interesting questions, or it puts people in circumstances and builds up on them. I like people stuff, but I've never needed it to relate to me, particularly or find characters who I can relate to.

Same here, so long as people are having experiences that are recognisable, even if it's something I could never have experienced myself, I can relate to a sense of awe, terror, horror, love, hate, revulsion, elation, loneliness, being overwhelmed, etc. they're all recognisable human conditions and you can relate whether the character in question is a Japanese businessman, a small white girl, an American drug dealer, or a Spanish policeman, the emotions and experience are what are relatable, they don't have to be "like me".

 

[DevilEyes]

Women aren't supposed to like Monty Python? Really?

One wonders why they would, given how ridiculously over-the-top most of the pepperpots are, and they're 99% of all female characters in Python. Any characters that Carol Cleveland would play are relatively rare.

You are saying that people actually IDENTIFY with male characters in Monty Python sketches?

You should then wonder how ANYONE could watch Monty Python, since at least 99% of ALL characters on Monty Python are ridiculously over the top. Unless you normally go for a regular scheduled argument, sell dead parrots, practice the Silly Walk, or eat before you explode.

I love Monty Python for its irreverent, crazy humor and satire. I find it hard to believe that there is anyone in the world who watches it because they identify with the characters (who are countless, mostly nameless and usually don't reappear after one sketch).

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I sometimes identify with Mr. Badger.

 

[Zulu Romeo]

My mum was the one who got me interested in Red Dwarf in the first place, even going as far as getting me the first two Red Dwarf novels and suggesting I give them a try. She also got me interested in The Terminator too, but that's another story altogether...

Some of my female school friends also loved the show.

 

[Fer]

My wife loves Red Dwarf, and I have an ex-girlfriend who really loved the show too. So they're definitely out there.

 

[WillsBabe]

My mum was the one who got me interested in Red Dwarf in the first place, even going as far as getting me the first two Red Dwarf novels

You've just reminded me about the novels. I really enjoyed them. I think I should go and read them again - if I can find them on the bookshelf after all these years.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

^I've only read the 1st Red Dwarf novel, "Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers." I may have the 2nd one somewhere around here but I never read it.

I'm not sure where this women don't like Monty Python stereotype got started. Probably from the same source as the stereotype that women don't like the Three Stooges either.

At least I know that I'm not the only one who is aware of this stereotype. There was a Family Guy episode where Brian's illegitimate son tortured Meg by tying her up in the basement and forcing her to watch "the other 70% of Monty Python that isn't funny or memorable." Meg cried out in anguish, "I'm a girl! I don't even like the good Monty Python!"

 

[Bob The Skutter]

My mum was the one who got me interested in Red Dwarf in the first place, even going as far as getting me the first two Red Dwarf novels

You've just reminded me about the novels. I really enjoyed them. I think I should go and read them again - if I can find them on the bookshelf after all these years.

For the longest time the Red Dwarf books were my favourite novels, and the only ones I ever re-read.

As for the "women don't like Monty Python" thing, I guess that's an American stereotype, because I've never heard it.

 

[DevilEyes]

At least I know that I'm not the only one who is aware of this stereotype. There was a Family Guy episode where Brian's illegitimate son tortured Meg by tying her up in the basement and forcing her to watch "the other 70% of Monty Python that isn't funny or memorable." Meg cried out in anguish, "I'm a girl! I don't even like the good Monty Python!"

Oh the wonderful world of US sitcoms. Where else would I learn all those American stereotypes.

I didn't even know SF fans were supposed to be nerds before I watched Frasier, South Park etc.

 

[Steve Roby]

I don't recall people ever complaining about "characters they can relate to" until I started reading American comments on the internet.

Yeah, my first real experience with that was watching all the racists reveal themselves on rec.arts.startrek.current when it was announced that DS9 would have a black lead character, which they denounced as a poor decision because they wouldn't be able to relate to Sisko. Some of them were actually kind of unintentionally funny, arguing that a straight white male American character is the only kind of character that everyone around the world can relate to, and any other kind of character is just politically correct pandering to some group or other. I especially liked the ones who argued that the only way to have a nonracist TV show, to prove that race no longer matters, is to make sure everyone's white, otherwise you're making an issue out of it.

 

[DevilEyes]

I don't recall people ever complaining about "characters they can relate to" until I started reading American comments on the internet.

Yeah, my first real experience with that was watching all the racists reveal themselves on rec.arts.startrek.current when it was announced that DS9 would have a black lead character, which they denounced as a poor decision because they wouldn't be able to relate to Sisko. Some of them were actually kind of unintentionally funny, arguing that a straight white male American character is the only kind of character that everyone around the world can relate to, and any other kind of character is just politically correct pandering to some group or other. I especially liked the ones who argued that the only way to have a nonracist TV show, to prove that race no longer matters, is to make sure everyone's white, otherwise you're making an issue out of it.

Sounds very similar to many people's arguments why SF shows (or shows in general) should not have gay or bisexual characters or storylines...