What happened to the First Federation?
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Or then he was mortally afraid of aliens, knowing they were all powerful enough to destroy his starship-of-cards and kill poor little him in horrible alien ways. So first he tried to scare the aliens away with his buoys. Then he tried to intimidate them with his tractor beam. Then he tried to poison them with tranya. And when that failed, he rolled over and hoped the aliens didn't bite too deep.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
The Federation did beat the Dominion.
Its really not that big next to the always impressive Romulan Warbird and Dominion Battleship.
They did. Vulcans are Federation Members, and probably help design plenty of Starfleet's ships. There are plenty of Starfleet officers who are Vulcan, and there was even at least one Starfleet ship, the U.S.S. T'Kumbra, that had an all-Vulcan crew.
Vulcans and Humans were as much partners in the Dominion War as Texans and Californians were in World War II.
They are 3 km, so twice as big as the Fesarius.
there was one in TOS, which got eaten by the giant space amoeba, and another in ds9 with the baseball playing vulcans. Not sure what their names were, but I think the TOS one was the Intrepid.
As for Balock, there were plenty of races we never saw again. Orgainians, unless you count Enterprise. they never went back to Iota to see what they did with McCoys communicator, or see how the world fizzbin championship is going. Never checked on the Yangs and whatever the other group on that planet was called. Never checked on Miri or the kids, etc, so on, and so forth.
As I said above, the Federation starship during the Dominion War with the all-Vulcan crew was the U.S.S. T'Kumbra, a Nebula-class starship that docked at Deep Space 9 in early 2375 ("Take Me Out to the Holosuite").
man i dont care, their ships are sick and i think we should have seen them alot in Star Trek..
I also wish that Voyager would get some amazingly good armor, shield, and weapons technology from aliens, not dismantle the slip stream drive but do more simulations to make it work 100%, and return during season 5 to the alpha quadrant with the fed losing the war, and have them share their technology and have the fed apply the new technologies to their ships, and meanwhile, have Voyager just destroy Jem Hadar ships, in a way, voyager would be the savior of the war, instead of just be stuck in the delta quadrant completely separated from everything
Spoiler alert:
It's been a while since I read that, but I think in that book, they go to First Federation, and find that they have left their space and abandoned the ships and bases. It was something like that
A good observation.
If anything, in Trek, we are constantly reminded that size isn't always an indication of superior power.
SF can construct large mushroom-shaped star-bases for example.
They have the resources of 8000 ly's wide territory at their disposal, and with decent technology to back it all up.
I agree tha on-screen evidence in later Trek has been visually less than impressive as far as effectiveness and scope their weapons for example are supposed to be ... but still, we do know that the visual interpretation was only there for the 'cool' factor to begin with.
Is that in Gulliver's Fugitives?
I think I might want to read it.
At any rate, according to some trek'verse star charts, the First Fed is very small and surrounded by the UFP and has warning buoys surrounding it.
I guess I automatically equate size with power because I see myself in the mirror everyday.
As to the forgotten First Fed, at least in canon TOS, that was the style in '60s tv. Rarely referring back to things in the past. There WAS some continuity in the TOS ep. I watched last night and it blew my mind: In "By Any Other Name," the writers do it twice! Kelvan leader refers to the great barrier and Kirk says, "We've been there"; and Kirk refers to Eminiar when asking Spock to plant an idea in the guard's mind telepathically. Weird. But good. It seemed organic and not forced as it can be in later shows.
Peace.
As to the forgotten First Fed, at least in canon TOS, that was the style in '60s tv. Rarely referring back to things in the past. There WAS some continuity in the TOS ep. I watched last night and it blew my mind: In "By Any Other Name," the writers do it twice! Kelvan leader refers to the great barrier and Kirk says, "We've been there"; and Kirk refers to Eminiar when asking Spock to plant an idea in the guard's mind telepathically. Weird. But good. It seemed organic and not forced as it can be in later shows.
Peace.
Hmm, I can see a scenario...
First Federation Ambassador (on Enterprise-D viewscreen): "...So, I'm sorry, Captain Picard, but I'm afraid the First Federation will not be able to help you in your war with the Borg. Our own Prime Directive requires us to refrain from interfering in your local affairs."
Data(to Picard): "Excuse me, Captain, but would this be an example of the old Earth truism 'What goes around comes around'?"
First Federation Ambassador (on Enterprise-D viewscreen): "...So, I'm sorry, Captain Picard, but I'm afraid the First Federation will not be able to help you in your war with the Borg. Our own Prime Directive requires us to refrain from interfering in your local affairs."
Data(to Picard): "Excuse me, Captain, but would this be an example of the old Earth truism 'What goes around comes around'?"
"Well preserved"? You ought to be ashamed of yourself!
It's in Preserver I think. Read all 3 books. They're pretty decent, if not a little over the top.
Well in that episode, the original Enterprise was held absolutely powerless against the Fesarius. As Kirk lamented that, "they should realize we mean them no harm", Spock pointed out that, "They must surely realize that we are completely incapable of it."
The Fesarius was awesome compared to the original Enterprise but for all we know, that might have been a one-off ship that is in no way representative of the type of vessel the supposed First Federation could mass-produce. Same thing for the Tamarian ship in TNG Darmok. It's hard to tell.
I misspoke. It's the book before the Preserver, Dark Victory. Here is what the book has about First Federation
There was an ebb and flow to history. Certain stories played out again and again. Similar patterns arose from the chaos.
One of those patterns was the principle of noninterference.
In some places, at some times, known as the Prime Directive.
The First Federation was immensely old, immensely advanced, and had long ago learned the dangers that could result when a race was given technology it did not discover by itself. In the universe of Captain Kirk, Balok had been delighted by his discovery of the Federation. He had eagerly taken on an exchange officer, Lieutenant David Bailey, late of the Starship Enterprise.
Bailey had proven most informative.
Humans and their associated races in the United Federation of Planets were not ready for some of the more startling technologies of the First Federation.
So Bailey was treated as an honored guest and returned home a better being for his experiences. Diplomatic relations were established, but at the highest levels, the representatives of the First Federation told those of the new Federation that, in most cases of scientific exchange, their own principle of non-interference would apply. The worlds of the Federation could not expect to share the wonders of the Fesarius until they had achieved similar breakthroughs of their own.
The Federation was committed to the Prime Directive, and so it could not question the First Federation's position.
Relationships were cordial. Cultural exchanges were frequent. But Fesarius-class ships were rarely seen.
There was a base, however. One the First Federation had abandoned until the day the Federation became more of a technological equal.
The base existed in a hollow asteroid, a forward supply station, waiting for the day the relationship between the two starfaring cultures could truly be established on a more balanced footing.
In the mirror universe, the base no longer existed. After Balok's tragic encounter with the Enterprise, the First Federation withdrew from all contact with the Terran Empire and, later, the Alliance. Balok's people would return to that region of space, but only after the age of barbarism had ended and a more progressive, hopeful system had taken its place.
But in the universe of Captain Kirk, the base had been left intact. Lieutenant Bailey had seen it. He had forwarded reports to Captain Kirk. Captain Kirk hadpassed those reports to Command. Eventually, all the reports were classified and filed away, and the location of the First Federation base became covered by the security oaths of the people who had learned the truth.
One of those patterns was the principle of noninterference.
In some places, at some times, known as the Prime Directive.
The First Federation was immensely old, immensely advanced, and had long ago learned the dangers that could result when a race was given technology it did not discover by itself. In the universe of Captain Kirk, Balok had been delighted by his discovery of the Federation. He had eagerly taken on an exchange officer, Lieutenant David Bailey, late of the Starship Enterprise.
Bailey had proven most informative.
Humans and their associated races in the United Federation of Planets were not ready for some of the more startling technologies of the First Federation.
So Bailey was treated as an honored guest and returned home a better being for his experiences. Diplomatic relations were established, but at the highest levels, the representatives of the First Federation told those of the new Federation that, in most cases of scientific exchange, their own principle of non-interference would apply. The worlds of the Federation could not expect to share the wonders of the Fesarius until they had achieved similar breakthroughs of their own.
The Federation was committed to the Prime Directive, and so it could not question the First Federation's position.
Relationships were cordial. Cultural exchanges were frequent. But Fesarius-class ships were rarely seen.
There was a base, however. One the First Federation had abandoned until the day the Federation became more of a technological equal.
The base existed in a hollow asteroid, a forward supply station, waiting for the day the relationship between the two starfaring cultures could truly be established on a more balanced footing.
In the mirror universe, the base no longer existed. After Balok's tragic encounter with the Enterprise, the First Federation withdrew from all contact with the Terran Empire and, later, the Alliance. Balok's people would return to that region of space, but only after the age of barbarism had ended and a more progressive, hopeful system had taken its place.
But in the universe of Captain Kirk, the base had been left intact. Lieutenant Bailey had seen it. He had forwarded reports to Captain Kirk. Captain Kirk hadpassed those reports to Command. Eventually, all the reports were classified and filed away, and the location of the First Federation base became covered by the security oaths of the people who had learned the truth.
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