It doesn't make much sense to me to only read books where you always know the ending, either.
Random Thought: Was Janeway Killed Because She was So Polarizing?
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It doesn't make much sense to me to only read books where you always know the ending, either.
But Captains doing her or his job properly generally get to tell others what to do more than actually do anything themselves, from the perspective of the departments on a starship or starbase. That's why her or she is in command, the ability to lead well and direct others what to do.
I'd say there are bureaucratic Captains every bit as much as bureaucratic Admirals; the difference is, the action we generally see focuses on active Captains and bureaucratic Admirals.
No, but it is inanity (not a misspelling) and insulting to accuse the authors and editors of not caring about the show, not loving the characters, hating Admiral Janeway, not watching the show, not really "getting" the characters, etc., etc., etc., just because they chose a different direction in which to take the story than you would have.
First, Thrawn didn't say they care "only" about profit and ratings, he (apparently) accepted that they care "most" about profit and ratings. (A point I don't know for sure he meant, but won't put words in his mouth if he wants to clarify) Two very different things.
Second, based on the first, even if the editorial staff do care "most" about profits, it's deeply insulting to say that no creative care went into a story direction because of that. Caring about selling books in no way implies a desire not to tell a good story.
See, here's where you're coming across as insulting again to my eye - notice the emphasis which I've added. By declaring the direction you would like to see the story go "must" be the better way, you're automatically implying that you know what's best for these characters, and demeaning the creative choice made by the editorial staff at Pocket Books.
In the Star Trek line (in most fiction I would say) there are no choices which "must" be superior to others when it comes to the stories being told.
Unless you're using the word "must" in a different way, or didn't mean to use it.
How can you possibly say
"I know that describing an Admiral as a 'desk clerk'... is a bit rude and down-putting"
in the same sentence as
"it's not my intention to insult those who are admirals"
when the two thoughts are mutually exclusive - if you know it's rude, how can you claim you don't intend to insult those who are admirals?
ETA: I agree with what Thrawn's been saying.
No I don't. I think that you are totally honest.
But I still can't understand how you can love Janeway and accept that she's been wasted and continue to read those books. It's not that long ago since I stopped watching a TV series which I'd been following for a couple of years because they replaced a good character I liked with a lame clone (but no killing off, mind you).
I guess that we simpy think very, very very different.
But I will be honest and give you my view too.
This annihilation of Janeway has teared up old wounds from the past. Its "the Kes thing" all over again but with another favorite.
Not to mention that it has taken away every tiny hope I had for the Voyager Relaunch. I thought that those in charge of the books would come up with better things than Berman and his gang, maybe correct some stupidities from the series too. Obviously I was very wrong.
Another nail in the coffin when it comes to my interest of Star Trek. Really sad, it used to be fun once.
Yes, I agree. I think you're completely right about this.
But here's what I'm saying.
You and I think very, very differently about what we like in our books. You and I also, apparently, have very different opinions about what is offensive and what isn't. And to me (and not just me, either - to Kirsten and a bunch of other posters) your posts are offensive, because you act like our views are worse, instead of different.
And, since here we are on a Star Trek board, IDIC and all, I'd think that you'd be able to recognize the difference.
So you dismiss good books like "Imzadi", "The Black Shore" and most good TNG, DS9 and VOY books because no main character dies in them?
Maybe I find the destruction of beloved main characters offensive to me and many fans.
I really have absolutely no idea how to respond to that. I've been thinking about it for 20 minutes (my students are testing at the moment) and I still have no idea to respond to that.
I can't imagine being offended by a writer's choice to kill a character. I just literally cannot imagine having that viewpoint.
I can't imagine being offended by a writer's choice to kill a character. I just literally cannot imagine having that viewpoint.
Then you shouldn't buy the books.
But you also shouldn't insult the editors and authors for the choices they made. Just because you wouldn't have made those choices doesn't mean that they're out to hurt anyone, or unprofessional, or have no compassion, or care about nothing but money, or any of the other personal insults you have lobbed at them because you are angry at their choice to tell a story about a fictional character dying.
ETA:
People are different, and that's fine. You disagree with their story choice and find their story choice offensive. Even that is fine. But you shouldn't take the fact that you find a completely subjective creative decision offensive as a reason to personally attack people, which you have done numerous times in this thread and in previous threads.
I guess, Lynx, if you really feel that killing beloved characters is offensive, you're in the wrong place. As you've mentioned, it's happened a few times before this one. I would highly recommend that you stop reading the books or being a Trek fan in general.
But that makes me wonder what you're still doing here, because the policy isn't going to change. They're still going to tell the best story they can. It might someday involve reviving Janeway, but it won't be because they thought killing her was Wrong. Even if the editors make choices later on that you think are better, they're never going to share your perspective. In fact, no professional writer I have ever encountered shares your perspective, certainly not anyone actually in charge of any of the Trek TV shows or movies (or, it goes without saying, novels).
But that makes me wonder what you're still doing here, because the policy isn't going to change. They're still going to tell the best story they can. It might someday involve reviving Janeway, but it won't be because they thought killing her was Wrong. Even if the editors make choices later on that you think are better, they're never going to share your perspective. In fact, no professional writer I have ever encountered shares your perspective, certainly not anyone actually in charge of any of the Trek TV shows or movies (or, it goes without saying, novels).
Somewhere, there's someone still stewing over the fact that Tasha Yar was killed off. There are people who still don't like the fact that James T. Kirk and Data were killed off; some of them are here on this board. There are probably people who were upset by Jadzia Dax's death. And Trip Tucker: hoo boy, was there some fuss over that.
But the TrekLit forum doesn't get derailed by those people, or by the fact that the books have dealt with those deaths in different ways.
But the TrekLit forum doesn't get derailed by those people, or by the fact that the books have dealt with those deaths in different ways.
Tasha....dear Tasha....
Jadzia....dear Jadzia...*There is an idea for a topic: Why are the hot (or at least, attractive) chicks being off-ed....?
Add Yeoman Leslie Thompson to the list...
*There is an idea for a topic: Why are the hot (or at least, attractive) chicks being off-ed....?
Add Yeoman Leslie Thompson to the list...
Umm... Kirk, Data, and Trip?
Oh nooo! Seven of Nine! You simply cannot die!!!!!
Now, see....
Even though she was annoying on television, I do like how her character is in the novels...
I'm at a 'wait and see' since I'm reading the Destiny novels right now....
*SPOILERS*
Erika Hernandez is sounding hot right now in the Destiny books, being changed--on the Celiar planet--into a gal barely out of her teen/early twenties...dressed in a white toga...toned, tanned....oiled...long dark hair..olive-skinned...
[Yes, I added the tanned and oiled, but hey...it was a mistake that didn't make it in the books....]
Anywho, I'm hoping Hernandez, looking/being as she is, survives....
*There is an idea for a topic: Why are the hot (or at least, attractive) chicks being off-ed....?
Add Yeoman Leslie Thompson to the list...
Umm... Kirk, Data, and Trip?
Who are they?
Nobody important. Certainly nobody anyone cares about.
Y'all are weird.
Do the Janewayinistas remind anyone else of people who yell at town hall meetings? 
Do the Janewayinistas remind anyone else of people who yell at town hall meetings?
hmm... would that make the Editors and Authors "Death Councils"?
Do the Janewayinistas remind anyone else of people who yell at town hall meetings?
Only if they start carrying guns.
Do the Janewayinistas remind anyone else of people who yell at town hall meetings?
I'm hoping to be openly mocked on the Rachel Maddow Show myself.
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