Can 'Omega Glory' ever be fully restored?
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Funny part is that his corrections are mean spirited, not to mention just plain wrong (at least the ones directed at me). I posted a light hearted comment in another thread about green tunics (no surprise there, considering my user name) and the phrase "Beam me up, Scotty". He proceeded to lecture me on the fact that the tunic fabrics were changed before the third season to a gold color to match what was seen on screen the previous seasons. Well, he got it completely backward. The fabric and color was selected to be a close match for the green velour and usually photographed closer to what was intended. Fabric samples and publicity photos are proof of that. (unless faked by yellow shirt conspiritors).
Huh? I wasn't trying to lecture or correct anything, and I wasnt directing my comments at you in particular. I was just bringing up something I'd heard that I found interesting and that I thought the audience of this BBS might enjoy knowing too. And if that information was in error, then I thank you for providing a correction, because now I and the other readers of this board have better information than I could offer myself.
This kind of misunderstanding happens to me a lot, because to me a bulletin board is a public forum for sharing information and ideas with a wide range of people, but others apparently think of it as personal conversation. So sometimes people think my comments are directed at them personally when I see it simply as engaging with the concepts being discussed, participating in a free and public exchange of ideas.
Not from me. It's not true at all.
He shares information, sometimes to help clear up misconceptions or errors. It's appreciated.
It could be worse: there could be some jerkoff here making things up and calling himself a noted Trek historian.
Joe, IBID
This is assuming that Ron Tracy's understanding of the moon cycles is correct, and that he's good with math, y'know, being all borderline psychotic & all.TRACEY: "Wu is 462 years old.His father is well over 1,000."Where does this thing about 10,000 years come from? I don't remember that bit.
This is assuming that Ron Tracy's understanding of the moon cycles is correct, and that he's good with math, y'know, being all borderline psychotic & all.TRACEY: "Wu is 462 years old.His father is well over 1,000."Where does this thing about 10,000 years come from? I don't remember that bit.
Still, the longest length of time mentioned in the episode is ONE thousand years. Not ten. I checked.
And given how variable TOS' timeframe was, before TMP nailed it down, it is conceivable that at some point the writers considered TOS to be a thousand years in our future. In which case it would be entirely possible that Omega IV is an Earth colony.
VINDICATION for one of my top ten eps!!!
I actually did e-mail Phil Farrand way back when that Nitpicker's Guide came out and informed him that his suspicions that there was a deleted scene was indeed correct. He thought it was neat. Phil's actually on my facebook now.
Wu being 462 years old and his father being over a thousand becomes less impressive when you consider the fact that, because of Omega's unusual orbit, a year on the planet constitutes a mere three weeks Earth time
Wu being 462 years old and his father being over a thousand becomes less impressive when you consider the fact that, because of Omega's unusual orbit, a year on the planet constitutes a mere three weeks Earth time
Todd, my hee-woe!Wu being 462 years old and his father being over a thousand becomes less impressive when you consider the fact that, because of Omega's unusual orbit, a year on the planet constitutes a mere three weeks Earth time
Very cool.
Still, the longest length of time mentioned in the episode is ONE thousand years. Not ten. I checked.
But like I said, if the war caused people to evolve longevity on that level, then the war had to take place many, many generations earlier. Evolution isn't instantaneous, and it doesn't happen within a single individual. That thousand-year-old guy must have been born thousands of years after the wars ended, because it would take at least that long for that kind of major evolutionary change to spread through the population.
Although now that I think about it, there's no way the ancient relics like the US flag and the Bible would've survived anywhere near that long. They would've crumbled to dust within centuries, a few millennia at most, depending on the conditions in which they were stored.
Evolution can be artificially induced on an immediate cellular level by specific biochemical precursors, like the genetically created virus designed to kill the enemy, and then render itself harmless after a few days. But, like so many other genetic experiments, it yeilded unexpected & unpredictable results.
Of course, this is conjecture.
Zactly.
Maybe. Given the general absurdity of the whole episode, a fast-acting mutagenic reaction isn't all that much more unlikely.
Still, we now know the episode took place c. 2268, less than 500 years after the United States of America was founded and just over 300 years after the People's Republic of China was established. So given that the war between Omega's America and China was at least a millennium and change ago, the "Earth colony" explanation just doesn't wash, unless you throw in time travel. Which is what I did for a while -- I had this whole complicated backstory about WWIII escapees in separate DY-class ships falling through a time warp and landing on separate continents -- but then I decided the whole thing was just too convoluted and silly, and it's easier just to treat the episode as semi-apocryphal.
Still, we now know the episode took place c. 2268, less than 500 years after the United States of America was founded and just over 300 years after the People's Republic of China was established. So given that the war between Omega's America and China was at least a millennium and change ago, the "Earth colony" explanation just doesn't wash, unless you throw in time travel. Which is what I did for a while -- I had this whole complicated backstory about WWIII escapees in separate DY-class ships falling through a time warp and landing on separate continents -- but then I decided the whole thing was just too convoluted and silly, and it's easier just to treat the episode as semi-apocryphal.
I daresay that there have been bits in Trek over the years that have been just as, if not more, silly...
Then again, I accept Alien Exodus as being part of Star Wars canon, even though it was never actually written (only outlined), so what do I know.
A genius writer came up with this:
From "Parallel Planetary Development, Past & Future" by Chrisisall, published, just not in this dimension.
Possible reasons for Omega, in no particular order:
1. Preservers (dodgy given the time frame)
2. Parallel development (million in one, but would work for TOS)
3. Colony mission thrown back in time (see #2)
4. Omegans received transmissions from Earth, model culture on that (see #1)
5. Old Earth probe sucked through wormhole/blackhole crashes on planet (Voyager or Pioneer need not apply). (Dodgy, but would work within TOS)
1. Preservers (dodgy given the time frame)
2. Parallel development (million in one, but would work for TOS)
3. Colony mission thrown back in time (see #2)
4. Omegans received transmissions from Earth, model culture on that (see #1)
5. Old Earth probe sucked through wormhole/blackhole crashes on planet (Voyager or Pioneer need not apply). (Dodgy, but would work within TOS)
Another thing to keep in mind is the cultural devolution, reducing freedom loving, highly literate Americans to Johnny Weismiller savages. Obviously, none of these guys were old enough to remember the war, or were taught much about what it was like before the war, so we're talking a very, very long time.
I think we're talking a lot further than ten thousand years.
As for how they got there in the first place, I'm still in favor of a screwy wormhole.
I think we're talking a lot further than ten thousand years.
As for how they got there in the first place, I'm still in favor of a screwy wormhole.
Maybe not. Ever seen Threads? In that series, human culture degrades (after WW III) to a much worse level than on Omega IV - and that's after only a decade. At least the Yangs could, in the end, speak clear English and read. The younger generation in Threads could do neither - they were illiterate savages who couldn't even speak anything other than gibberish.
I just watched it this last hour, and I HAVE to go with my parallel intrusion theory- Omega IV HAD to have the same Founding Fathers to write the U. S. Constitution in the very same words IMO.
Nardpuncher
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Funny part is that his corrections are mean spirited, not to mention just plain wrong (at least the ones directed at me). I posted a light hearted comment in another thread about green tunics (no surprise there, considering my user name) and the phrase "Beam me up, Scotty". He proceeded to lecture me on the fact that the tunic fabrics were changed before the third season to a gold color to match what was seen on screen the previous seasons. Well, he got it completely backward. The fabric and color was selected to be a close match for the green velour and usually photographed closer to what was intended. Fabric samples and publicity photos are proof of that. (unless faked by yellow shirt conspiritors).
Huh? I wasn't trying to lecture or correct anything, and I wasnt directing my comments at you in particular. I was just bringing up something I'd heard that I found interesting and that I thought the audience of this BBS might enjoy knowing too. And if that information was in error, then I thank you for providing a correction, because now I and the other readers of this board have better information than I could offer myself.
This kind of misunderstanding happens to me a lot, because to me a bulletin board is a public forum for sharing information and ideas with a wide range of people, but others apparently think of it as personal conversation. So sometimes people think my comments are directed at them personally when I see it simply as engaging with the concepts being discussed, participating in a free and public exchange of ideas.
You're quoting the wrong guy. I didn't say this.
Makes no sense when you consider all the factors that went into the writing of the Constitution. The nation's founders were influenced by multiple terrestrial factors, from the European Enlightenment (which was in turn influenced by ideas from as far away as China) to the Iroquois Confederacy. We know a lot about the extensive process of debate by which the Constitution was formulated, all the arguments and compromises between different states and philosophical factions. We know when the Pledge of Allegiance was written and by whom, and all the different drafts it went through over the decades. (The version Kirk quoted, with "under God" included, was introduced in 1954 -- though Cloud William's version is pretty much the original 1892 wording except for an extra "to.") The development and authorship of these things is too well-understood for there to be any possibility that they originated on an alien planet and were somehow brought here and copied exactly. History is not so simplistic. If aliens had come here and brought their founding documents, they would've been at most a small contributing influence, one factor out of thousands, on what happened hundreds or thousands of years later. The Constitution, the Pledge, the American flag, they'd all have been different, because there were too many different factors influencing the forms they took.
So there is no way in hell that America could be a copy of Omega IV. And of course the matter becomes far more complex when you bring the Kohms into it, because of all the different factors that led to the form the People's Republic of China took (and the fact that it happened over 170 years later).
The same logic problem arises if you reverse it. Even if the Omegans got information from Earth's future somehow, a duplication that exact is unlikely due to all the native factors that would be competing with those influences.
The "Earth colony that fell through a time warp" idea is the least absurd one, but it has plenty of credibility problems of its own. Bottom line, it's a silly concept no matter how many knots you tie yourself into trying to rationalize it.
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