Obi-wan Kenobi fights Duncan Macleod

[InklingStar]

I think the natural instinct for most people would be to say Obi-wan, but I think Jango Fett gave Kenobi a pretty good fight. How much better would Macleod be than Jango Fett?

Remember that the only reason Jango gave Obi-Wan a contest was because he took the lightsaber out of the equation right at the start. As Obi-Wan said, "this weapon is your life." Later when Jango faces a Jedi with his lightsaber, he lasts all of five seconds.

Duncan's sword isn't magical, it's just a really cool sword. A lightsaber would cut it up like cardboard.

 

[broberfett]

I think the natural instinct for most people would be to say Obi-wan, but I think Jango Fett gave Kenobi a pretty good fight. How much better would Macleod be than Jango Fett?

Remember that the only reason Jango gave Obi-Wan a contest was because he took the lightsaber out of the equation right at the start. As Obi-Wan said, "this weapon is your life." Later when Jango faces a Jedi with his lightsaber, he lasts all of five seconds.

Duncan's sword isn't magical, it's just a really cool sword. A lightsaber would cut it up like cardboard.

They do occasionally magical things and chop things with swords in the movies that wouldn't normally cut so easily. All that power has got to be good for something. The fight also is a hell of alot more fun if Duncan can use his sword. If you watch the series you see Duncan do an occasional crazy flip, nothing like Jedi height or anything, but he is pretty spryly. I'm just curious about who the better sword master is.

Jango's jet pack was damaged when Mace attacked him with his pimp saber or the fight might have lasted alot longer.

 

[the Dagman]

If their blades were evenly matched, I'd have to go with Duncan MacLeod. He's spent the most of his 400+ years either fighting or training, in between helping as many people as he could. In fact, he was so goodly that I think Obi-Wan would have a hard time actually using any force powers on him. The Quickening energy is akin to the living embodiment of the Force (especially in the way Ramirez described it while training Connor), and Duncan has absorbed that energy a few hundred times over. Add to the mix that the only way to beat Duncan is by taking his head, and you have Obi-Wan on the run.

Now, Duncan vs. Yoda? THAT would be a fight!

I really don't think being good protects you from being Jedi hacked. A Jedi wouldn't choke someone, but they used that force push quite a bit.

And that force push wouldn't amount to a hill of beans to an immortal. Maybe to give Kenobi a momentary breather, but it won't be removing any heads. And that is the only way to defeat an immortal. Nor would using that push to throw things at Duncan provide for any more than a momentary respite.

For nearly any wound an immortal will heal from in mere moments, aside from a non-decapitating death blow which would take a bit longer. The only wound they cannot totally heal from is some kind of dismembering. But Kenobi hasn't any better of a chance to inflict such a wound upon MacLeod than any of the hundreds of immortals he has faced over the centuries.

Even if Kenobi were to use the force to project energy like Palpatine and Dooku, that is pure life force and very much like an immortal's Quickening. Duncan would only absorb it and get stronger. No, this battle would come down to swordsmanship. And there, Duncan has centuries more training and experience than Obi-Wan. Sorry people, but Duncan would hand Obi-Wan his ass if there was ever a fight between them.

On the other hand, if Duncan were to fight Han Solo we'd have a scene very much like that one in Raiders where Solo would drop MacLeod in a moment with a shot from his blaster. Then he could easily use MacLeod's own sword to behead him, if he knew that was the only way to kill him for keeps. But Kenobi hates using blasters, doesn't carry one, and wouldn't think to use one against a guy using a similar sword-type of weapon he uses.

 

[broberfett]

I like Duncan, but I keep picturing that door in the Phantom Menace. Qui-gon stabs it with his saber and it melts like butter. Duncan would have to avoid being cut, even if he is immortal. He'd have to keep coming back to life over and over and that might take awhile.

 

[the Dagman]

I like Duncan, but I keep picturing that door in the Phantom Menace. Qui-gon stabs it with his saber and it melts like butter. Duncan would have to avoid being cut, even if he is immortal. He'd have to keep coming back to life over and over and that might take awhile.

The threat of a lightsaber is no more than that of any other blade, if Duncan's sword is capable of parrying as you implied in your initial criteria. Duncan has spent HUNDREDS of years and defeated HUNDREDS of immortals, most all of which had more training and experience in swordsmanship than Obi-wan has had in his few decades of life. And anything less than a mortal blow will not drop an immortal. Regular nicks and cuts will heal nearly instantly for Duncan, but would have a cumulative effect on Obi-wan who has no healing powers. Obi-wan's only hope would be to chop off Duncan's hand or arm, if not his head, or stabbed through the heart. Yet that is not anymore of a threat than Duncan has faced his entire life and overcome.

 

[broberfett]

I was disappointed by the series decision to allow permanent amputation without regeneration. I think anybody that fought in wars for 400 years would have something chopped off or blasted off.

 

[Holdfast]

Obi-Wan has both the Force and the high ground. He can't lose.

High Ground vs Highlander. Should be worth watching.

 

[the Dagman]

I was disappointed by the series decision to allow permanent amputation without regeneration. I think anybody that fought in wars for 400 years would have something chopped off or blasted off.

Yes, I agree. At the very least, they should have been able to regenerate a missing body part when they take another Quickening. But Xavier St. Cloud took many more Quickenings after Duncan chopped off his left hand, so we know that was not the case. It is too bad, as I think it would have lend credence as to why no other immortal on the show or movies was missing an arm or leg.

 

[broberfett]

I guess by their reasoning all the amputee immortals got wacked. If it is your sword hand then you have to learn to be a lefty(or righty) which is extremely awkward. If it is a leg or foot then you can't really fight too well. I have learned to bowl left hand. Started when I was a kid and do it better than alot of people bowling normally, but it still lowers my score-something an immortal wouldn't survive.

 

[Dr. Drake Ramoray]

I was disappointed by the series decision to allow permanent amputation without regeneration. I think anybody that fought in wars for 400 years would have something chopped off or blasted off.

Yes, I agree. At the very least, they should have been able to regenerate a missing body part when they take another Quickening. But Xavier St. Cloud took many more Quickenings after Duncan chopped off his left hand, so we know that was not the case. It is too bad, as I think it would have lend credence as to why no other immortal on the show or movies was missing an arm or leg.

I tend to think that Xavier St. Cloud could have kept his hand had he been able to find it in the river. Remember in Highlander: The Final Dimension, Kane is chopped in two, yet the separate pieces regenerate back together. It was just Mr. Fine Young Cannibals bad luck he lost his hand in the Seine, and didn't have time to look for it.

 

[Broccoli]

How about Worf vs. Duncan MacLeod? That's a fight I've always wanted to see.

Worf: Today is a good day to die!!
Duncan: Um...do you know who I am?

Remember in Highlander: The Final Dimension, Kane is chopped in two, yet the separate pieces regenerate back together.

That sequence was so stupid for many, many reasons.

But, then again, so was the entire movie.

 

[broberfett]

I always took that scene to be one of the sorcerer's illusions. He wasn't really chopped in half.

 

[T'Girl]

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Chuck Norris eats jedi testicles for breakfast.



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[Broccoli]

Chuck Norris eats jedi testicles for breakfast.

I always had a sneaking suspicion that Chuck Norris was gay.

 

[broberfett]

I would like it better if Chuck Norris ate Jedi pussies for breakfast.

 

[Broccoli]

I would like it better if Chuck Norris ate Jedi pussies for breakfast.

Well...there goes the Skywalker family.

 

[T'Girl]

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This just doesn't work. If all thing were equal - yes Duncan would win. If Duncan had both a light saber and was knowledgeable in the force.

Or if Obi-wan had only a katana and no use of the force.

The first thing Obi-wan would do is cut Duncan's sword at the hilt, Duncan is a surviver, he would surrender or run away, he's practical that way.

 

[Skywalker]

I really can't imagine the two of them fighting anyway. They're too much alike. They'd probably end up becoming best friends, if anything.

 

[T'Girl]

They'd probably end up becoming best friends, if anything.

Obi-wan could dump that whiney Skywalker, make Duncan his new paddy-wogg.

Duncan would seduce queen whats-her-name and....

I feel a fanfic (NC-17) coming on.

 

[broberfett]

If Duncan Macleod thinks you violated his code, then he'll kill you. Obi-wan is a snobby, uppity guy that runs around thinking he's a policeman. They could end up fighting for all sorts of reasons. Duncan can not fight Obi-wan in the Jedi Temple, but Obi-wan can attack Duncan anywhere. The episode with the Nazi makes it clear that an immortal can not harm even a mortal on holy ground(which seems kind of dumb to me, but it was in that episode with little Bernard who wouldn't stay in the church).