TOS replicators?

[TOS Purist]

And even when they did, they had ordinary celery on the same plate ("Man Trap")... Somewhat eating away at the theory that everything on the plate came from a primitive synthesizer of some sort.

Well, let's not forget the plates or the cutlery, either. Or the trays...

"Eating away"...no pun intended, I'm sure!!

Oh, the tribbles could have been already contaminating the food slots and just waiting for the food to be replicated. It's not as if the process of replicating a meal is somehow hazardous to the immediate vicinity - our heroes are always sticking their hands into the replicators before the process is properly finished. So a tribble could easily wait in the comfy slot for its next hot meal...

That is, of course, a good point, but as far as we could see there was NOTHING left of Kirk's chicken sandwich by the time he got it (just the pickle). Unless the tribbles consume food at warp speed, I don't think they could have eaten the whole sandwich in the time it look for the synthesizer to chime and open the yellow door.

 

[chancellorjake]

Unless the tribbles consume food at warp speed, I don't think they could have eaten the whole sandwich in the time it look for the synthesizer to chime and open the yellow door.

Those little buggers are quite ravenous. Heh!
They can consume a sandwich in the blink of an eye.

 

[Timo]

Or it might be that the slot goes "Ping!" the moment its built-in scale registers that enough mass has been synthesized on the plate. A tribble or three would mess that up rather thoroughly...

Personally, I like to think the TOS machinery involved a little bit of transporter technology in delivering the meals into the slots, but used relatively crude synthesis techniques for creating the actual foodstuffs - not the sort of intricate transporter
manipulation that characterizes the TNG replicators. Still, a lot of the food synthesis would happen in situ inside the slot; simple bulk things such as ice cream would be manufactured directly in the cup rather than first prepared in a galley and then moved to the slot.

OTOH, SJ's Mr Scott's Guide likes to make a further difference in that the TOS movie era slots would have had transporter dumbwaiters, while the TOS episode slots would have had mechanical dumbwaiters, essentially tiny turbolifts.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Christopher]

I don't think any info from ENT should be taken into consideration...it started out as a non-canon, alternate-universe show...

That is categorically untrue. It may be so in some viewers' fantasies, but it is a blatant lie to claim that the show was actually intended that way by its creators. It's also a stupid lie, because the "canon," by definition, is whatever the current producers of the show say it is. So to say that the makers of an actual aired television series would be making a show that was "non-canon" is twisting the truth and the language to a downright Orwellian degree.

 

[TOS Purist]

I don't think any info from ENT should be taken into consideration...it started out as a non-canon, alternate-universe show...

That is categorically untrue. It may be so in some viewers' fantasies, but it is a blatant lie to claim that the show was actually intended that way by its creators. It's also a stupid lie, because the "canon," by definition, is whatever the current producers of the show say it is. So to say that the makers of an actual aired television series would be making a show that was "non-canon" is twisting the truth and the language to a downright Orwellian degree.

Early press releases on "Enterprise" had Braga saying exactly what I said he said. The information is out there for anyone to read. It was only when the ratings started to fall, that Paramount forced him to shove it into the rest of canon in a vain attempt to appeal to the fans, who had just been essentially flipped the bird by B&B. As we all know, it didn't work.

End of that discussion.

Back on topic, please?

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

I don't think any info from ENT should be taken into consideration...it started out as a non-canon, alternate-universe show...

That is categorically untrue. It may be so in some viewers' fantasies, but it is a blatant lie to claim that the show was actually intended that way by its creators. It's also a stupid lie, because the "canon," by definition, is whatever the current producers of the show say it is. So to say that the makers of an actual aired television series would be making a show that was "non-canon" is twisting the truth and the language to a downright Orwellian degree.

Early press releases on "Enterprise" had Braga saying exactly what I said he said. The information is out there for anyone to read. It was only when the ratings started to fall, that Paramount forced him to shove it into the rest of canon in a vain attempt to appeal to the fans, who had just been essentially flipped the bird by B&B. As we all know, it didn't work.

End of that discussion.

Back on topic, please?

Without direct quotes or source citation, your argument is still hearsay.

 

[TOS Purist]

Not ANOTHER canon debate, please for the love of all things holy! For crying out loud folks, I just made one comment that expressed my opinion about whether or not ENT tech should be included here. Start another thread if you want to debate it...

Getting back to the TOPIC OF THIS THREAD...what do you personally think the "chime"-like sound is? Why does the food synthesizer make that sound...and what part of its operation is responsible for it?

I'm thinking it's the sound of the low-grade transporter dumbwaiter that takes the food from the automated kitchen up to the dispenser.

 

[Timo]

Why have the kitchen located elsewhere, though? It's not as if we witnessed more than two possible locations for food slots anyway: the mess hall, and the transporter room (one of them anyway). One would think the mess hall itself would be the galley, with one wall dedicated to the food-making gadgetry, and a crewed galley right on the other side of that wall for maintenance of that gadgetry and for preparation of special meals.

Remote delivery would still be part of the service, apparently. But a physical dumbwaiter sounds dubious as it would be a very bulky system and difficult to retrofit (assuming that the transporter room slot was indeed a retrofit, and not just an example of us seeing different, differently equipped transporter rooms in different episodes). Instead, this would be a good first application for closed-circuit transporters: no worries about harming living creatures or anything.

However, I personally rather like to think that the synthesis machinery need not be centralized, because it in fact is just as compact as it looks: a good meal only requires a machine the size of a fridge-freezer combo set in the wall. Little need for dumbwaiters or any other delivery method, then. And the chime is just a pleasant sound created to inform the user that the meal is ready (or perhaps to hide the disgusting noises involved in preparing the meal).

I just made one comment that expressed my opinion about whether or not ENT tech should be included here.

So we all are guaranteed one comment then?

I vote yea. Just because.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[TOS Purist]

Why have the kitchen located elsewhere, though? It's not as if we witnessed more than two possible locations for food slots anyway: the mess hall, and the transporter room (one of them anyway).

Let's not forget the dispenser in Kirk's quarters, seen in "Mirror, Mirror" when Lt. Moreau orders those two drinks. Also, the rec rooms are different from the mess halls, and those had synthesizers as well.

Remote delivery would still be part of the service, apparently. But a physical dumbwaiter sounds dubious as it would be a very bulky system and difficult to retrofit (assuming that the transporter room slot was indeed a retrofit, and not just an example of us seeing different, differently equipped transporter rooms in different episodes). Instead, this would be a good first application for closed-circuit transporters: no worries about harming living creatures or anything.

I agree; a physical dumbwaiter would also take FOREVER to get the food to where it's supposed to go. I think it's within the realms of possibility that the synthesizers use a sort of "low-grade" transporter, meaning one that isn't anywhere near as sophisticated as the living-humanoid-grade transporters. Even though I don't consider it canon, ENT provided a good example of this. It would also stand to reason that the lower-grade transporters make a different sound...which might explain the "warble chime."

So we all are guaranteed one comment then?

I vote yea. Just because.

I agree, mostly because everyone's entitled to their opinion, and they're equally entitled to express it. But as soon as someone responds to their opinion, or someone makes it more than once, it becomes a seperate conversation/argument, and takes the thread off-topic.

So yeah, just once I think is enough...it's enough to let other readers know where that poster is coming from and what sources s/he's taking examples from, but no need to talk about the opinion itself.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not ANOTHER canon debate, please for the love of all things holy! For crying out loud folks, I just made one comment that expressed my opinion about whether or not ENT tech should be included here. Start another thread if you want to debate it...

Getting back to the TOPIC OF THIS THREAD...what do you personally think the "chime"-like sound is? Why does the food synthesizer make that sound...and what part of its operation is responsible for it?

I'm thinking it's the sound of the low-grade transporter dumbwaiter that takes the food from the automated kitchen up to the dispenser.

Once you open the barn door don't complain because the horse got out.

 

[Doug Otte]

Who's to say McCoy didn't have a fat foot that day?

I hate it when that happens!

Doug

 

[Kryton]

It's just a good damn thing no one ever GAVE Chekov a tribble for becoming an admiral or anything. Because that would just be silly and only something some fan-film writer would come up with! Crazy bastards (God love 'em).

 

[CoveTom]

I agree, mostly because everyone's entitled to their opinion, and they're equally entitled to express it. But as soon as someone responds to their opinion, or someone makes it more than once, it becomes a seperate conversation/argument, and takes the thread off-topic.

Which is a really handy rationale for not having to back up what you say. You lobbed something into the thread that is both off-topic and blatently untrue -- Enterprise was never intended nor promoted as an "alternate timeline" -- and then when challenged on it, say "let's stick to the topic." Very convenient indeed.

 

[Greg Cox]

I seem to recall that we saw a kitchen in the sixth movie as well. I always assumed it was mostly for recreational purposes or special occasions--like state dinners for visiting Klingon dignitaries.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Scotty clearly calls them "food processors" when he comes in with the armload of tribbles.

 

[Captain Robert April]

A clarification of the word "canon" might be in order.

can·on 1 (k

n

n)n.1. An ecclesiastical law or code of laws established by a church council.
2. A secular law, rule, or code of law.
3. a. An established principle: the canons of polite society.
b. A basis for judgment; a standard or criterion.

4. The books of the Bible officially accepted as Holy Scripture.
5. a. A group of literary works that are generally accepted as representing a field: "the durable canon of American short fiction" (William Styron).
b. The works of a writer that have been accepted as authentic: the entire Shakespeare canon.

6. Canon The part of the Mass beginning after the Preface and Sanctus and ending just before the Lord's Prayer.
7. The calendar of saints accepted by the Roman Catholic Church.
8. Music A composition or passage in which a melody is imitated by one or more voices at fixed intervals of pitch and time.

[Middle English canoun, from Old English canon and from Old French, both from Latin can

n, rule, from Greek kan

n, measuring rod, rule.]

The one that concerns us is 5.b.

The Star Trek canon consists of the TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, the movies, and, like it or not, Enterprise. It would also appear that, with the sniggling details being worked out with Filmation, TAS is a late addition to the official canon, serving as TOS' fourth season. Doesn't mean it all makes sense or agrees with every other part, just means that it's part of the official record.

JJ's little student film is its own animal (thank the gods!).

 

[Greg Cox]

When I hear the word "canon," I reach for my phaser . . . .


(And that "little student film" is as much STAR TREK as anything else.)

 

[Nerys Myk]

A clarification of the word "canon" might be in order.

can·on 1 (k

n

n)n.1. An ecclesiastical law or code of laws established by a church council.
2. A secular law, rule, or code of law.
3. a. An established principle: the canons of polite society.
b. A basis for judgment; a standard or criterion.

4. The books of the Bible officially accepted as Holy Scripture.
5. a. A group of literary works that are generally accepted as representing a field: "the durable canon of American short fiction" (William Styron).
b. The works of a writer that have been accepted as authentic: the entire Shakespeare canon.

6. Canon The part of the Mass beginning after the Preface and Sanctus and ending just before the Lord's Prayer.
7. The calendar of saints accepted by the Roman Catholic Church.
8. Music A composition or passage in which a melody is imitated by one or more voices at fixed intervals of pitch and time.

[Middle English canoun, from Old English canon and from Old French, both from Latin can

n, rule, from Greek kan

n, measuring rod, rule.]

The one that concerns us is 5.b.

The Star Trek canon consists of the TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, the movies, and, like it or not, Enterprise. It would also appear that, with the sniggling details being worked out with Filmation, TAS is a late addition to the official canon, serving as TOS' fourth season. Doesn't mean it all makes sense or agrees with every other part, just means that it's part of the official record.

JJ's little student film is its own animal (thank the gods!).

Since Paramount is the only one that can currently declare something "authentic" JJ's student film is canon.

 

[Christopher]

^Well, actually CBS owns Trek these days. It licenses the movie rights to Paramount.

But they don't have to "declare" anything canonical. What they do is canonical by definition. Canon isn't a seal of approval, it's simply a descriptive category -- the core body of a work as distinct from derivative works by other creators or in other media.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Old habits. I still do a double take at the CBS eye on Trek books.