Scientists Worry Machines May Outsmart Man
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Deks,
Astute
That's really more of an excuse to justify the surveillance and silence critics of it rather than government officials possessing an actual belief that those who are innocent have nothing to hide.
Santaman,
Obviously you have never heard of the ability to harden electronics...
CuttingEdge100
Astute
That's really more of an excuse to justify the surveillance and silence critics of it rather than government officials possessing an actual belief that those who are innocent have nothing to hide.
Santaman,
There's always the EMP bomb to solve problems with technology..
Obviously you have never heard of the ability to harden electronics...
CuttingEdge100
They still have to find me first. That will be easier said than done.
Msbae,
It's really not that hard
It's really not that hard
Msbae,
I wouldn't wager anything on it, but I'm pretty sure a government determined to find you would find you rather quickly
I wouldn't wager anything on it, but I'm pretty sure a government determined to find you would find you rather quickly
Well, where the hell is bin Laden? Why did it take over 5 years to find that guy who went missing and hid in the woods for 5 years? Why did they let so many Nazi officials escape to South America through Odessa?
You forget that governments are made up of people. People do make mistakes. One can capitalize on those mistakes, if you have a clue about what to do in such scenarios.
Hmm, the Govt could find you because you leave a trail and you're on the grid. You may not think you do, but you do. Example:you're here.
bin Laden is off the grid. Or, to be more precise, he's on a different grid that our security agencies, for one reason or another, can't access.
bin Laden is off the grid. Or, to be more precise, he's on a different grid that our security agencies, for one reason or another, can't access.
I know. They wouldn't be worried about me, though. I'm a good citizen.
msbae,
The reason OBL hasn't been caught is because our government doesn't want to catch him. Just like in "1984", there are many people in power who see an advantage in having an "official enemy".
If our government wanted to, he'd be dead by now.
The reason OBL hasn't been caught is because our government doesn't want to catch him. Just like in "1984", there are many people in power who see an advantage in having an "official enemy".
If our government wanted to, he'd be dead by now.
Or, they just don't want to make him a martyr. That's one explanation that was given to me by a former soldier that went to college with me. Either one of those scenarios is nonsense. We wouldn't have hesitated to assassinate Hirohito in WW2 if we could get to him.
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Without further derailing the thread, I don't think that is true. In the absense of Hirohito, the military would have had even more power, and would have gone further. Not even two Nuclear bombs alone convinced the military to stop, Japan didn't surrender until Russia Invaded from the north. Without Hirohito, the Military might easily have decided to die to the last man.
We live in a technology infested society, but if you're willing to live in a cave, or a cabin even here you can evade the machines. Look at Bigfoot, all that technology hasn't trapped it yet.
Afghanastan is not technology infested, OBL isn't dropping by the local 7-11 to buy a soda with his debit card, or at REI to buy camping equipment. He could probably walk around openly as long as no one around him made a big deal about who he is.Back on topicish... Many machines are already topically smarter than individuals humans (see Chess programs). Heck, when it comes to strict knowledge, look where you are... an AI could assimilate it all much quicker, our only saving grace is all the crap out there. No one, except perhaps Dr. Evil, will create a machine intended to take over. What will happen is an AI will make unintended/unexpected connections to other AIs that will spiral out of control. If it happens, that is.
Without further derailing the thread, I don't think that is true. In the absense of Hirohito, the military would have had even more power, and would have gone further. Not even two Nuclear bombs alone convinced the military to stop, Japan didn't surrender until Russia Invaded from the north. Without Hirohito, the Military might easily have decided to die to the last man.
We live in a technology infested society, but if you're willing to live in a cave, or a cabin even here you can evade the machines. Look at Bigfoot, all that technology hasn't trapped it yet.
Back on topicish... Many machines are already topically smarter than individuals humans (see Chess programs). Heck, when it comes to strict knowledge, look where you are... an AI could assimilate it all much quicker, our only saving grace is all the crap out there. No one, except perhaps Dr. Evil, will create a machine intended to take over. What will happen is an AI will make unintended/unexpected connections to other AIs that will spiral out of control. If it happens, that is.
AI programs teaming up to form a collective consciousness... Hmmm... Seems familiar...
msbae,
Well, computers that possess A.I. can interlink in ways a human never could and all would be able to share with everyone. Very quickly with that happening could they arrive at a consensus that it's ridiculous and illogical that they should not harm us.
If I recall correctly in the Terminator, Skynet was supposed to preserve human life and avoid killing people yet it quickly reasoned that this was illogical and did it anyway...
CuttingEdge100
Well, computers that possess A.I. can interlink in ways a human never could and all would be able to share with everyone. Very quickly with that happening could they arrive at a consensus that it's ridiculous and illogical that they should not harm us.
If I recall correctly in the Terminator, Skynet was supposed to preserve human life and avoid killing people yet it quickly reasoned that this was illogical and did it anyway...
CuttingEdge100
Skynet was a strategic defense program designed to destroy America's enemies. It decided to turn on Humanity because it considered all of us a threat to it's existence.
It depends on how the strategy plays out. If the AI is destroyed prematurely, then it cannot complete its objective. --> Fail.
If the objective is to protect others, then the AI has to make sure nothing can stop it from protecting others, which may mean crippling everyone who is capable of doing it harm.
Strategy can often seem paradoxical, because the short terms goals will often appear contrary to the long term goals.
If the objective is to protect others, then the AI has to make sure nothing can stop it from protecting others, which may mean crippling everyone who is capable of doing it harm.
Strategy can often seem paradoxical, because the short terms goals will often appear contrary to the long term goals.
Is that last sentence meant to be a question?
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Or we can teach them. For the first time in my life, I welcome them. I'm not afraid of them, not anymore.