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Lamborghini has officially been neutered...

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msbae

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First, someone dares to create a prototype Lambo with 4 doors...

http://dvice.com/archives/2008/10/four-door-estoq.php

Now, Lambo's prosaic German owners want to make a Lambo Hybrid...

http://dvice.com/archives/2009/08/lamborghini-gea.php

HERESY!

People buy Lambos to...

A.) Get a woman to make babies with them, as opposed to transporting them around town.

and...

B.) Drive ridiculously fast.

No one gives a flying fuck about having 4 doors or decent fuel economy when they're willing to drop six figures on a single car. You'd think they'd learn from the 'mistake' that Dodge (supposedly) made when they put the Charger name on a 4-door car in 2006... Or the loss of performance prestige suffered by the Ford Thunderbird when it became a full-size 4-door car in 1958... Dumbasses. :brickwall:
 
That's kind of lame
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Nothing compares to driving around in a Gallardo with that V10 behind you. I couldn't imagine it being anything else.
 
Sorry, but if making a 4-door prototype has neutered Lambo in any way, it happened long, long ago. Here's a rare pic of a 4-door Countach concept from back in the 80s.

http://www.ibeatyou.com/competition/939e53/craziest-car/entry/8f00da/4-door-countach

Also, I'm pretty sure that Lamborghini has done alternative fuel concepts before, including a number of hybrids.

I also know I've seen an all electric Diablo, though to be perfectly honest, it's entirely possible that it was an aftermarket conversion that Lamborghini had nothing to do with. It may have even been a proof of concept by the guys at Tesla Motors. Regardless, the idea of an electric Lambo isn't particularly new.
 
If Lambo can make a car that can still get the accelerations and top speeds they're known for and it be a hybrid then I say more power to them as that's fucking awesome.

^Oh, all cars, even Lamborghini's, must be kind to Mother Earth. :rolleyes:
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Pfft. Yeah, "Mother Earth." Why should we protect a fucking planet?!

I mean, it's not like it's the only home we have or anything.

... Oh.
 
This is blasphemy. Building a hybrid Lambo is like attaching a tiny propeller and engine to a fighter plane and having the jets only kick in when you're in combat.
 
Trekker4747 said:
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^Oh, all cars, even Lamborghini's, must be kind to Mother Earth. :rolleyes:
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Pfft. Yeah, "Mother Earth." Why should we protect a fucking planet?!

I mean, it's not like it's the only home we have or anything.

... Oh.
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I'm not saying we should blow up the planet or anything, I'm saying that a gasoline powered Lambo isn't going to destroy us or the Earth. This "greening" around the edges stuff is just window dressing.
 
The silliest part is that only hippies would want to drive a hybrid, yet no hippie could afford a Lambo.
 
A hybrid? It frakkin' well better outperform the Tesla, or they'll be laughed out of the business!
 
If the car can perfrom on par with its gasoline-powered counterparts what's it matter what it runs on?
 
Well for a start small electric motors CANNOT compete with gigantic petrol engines in performance and probably never will so your question is silly (though hippies tend to rate performance as energy consumption and not energy output so I guess to them an electric motor is better :rolleyes:), but even if they did have comparable performance, they still wouldn't feel the same to drive. People don't buy these to chug around at 10MPH with pathetic little electric motors. They buy them to show off, break the speed limit on motorways and country lanes and for the noise and feel of a giant engine behind their heads, and because they're "wild".

And everyone knows that nothing says wild like a hybrid :rolleyes:

There's still the issue that hybrids are for hippies and hippies can't afford Lambos.
 
First of all, Lamborghini used to sell an SUV, so forget the blasphemy, and I like the new four door. Crazy looking. People said Porsche sold out when they made the Cayenne too, and yet it's probably the only reason they avoided bankruptcy. As long as they still make the good stuff, who cares what else they make? Lamborghini still makes tractors!

A Hybrid Lambo isn't a bad idea, they're just adding a small electric motor to a V10 or V12 engine so that when you're in low speed or stop and go traffic you don't have to leave the gas engine running.

Really, what the heck is so wrong with that?
 
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FordSVT said:
A Hybrid Lambo isn't a bad idea, they're just adding a small electric motor to a V10 or V12 engine so that when you're in low speed or stop and go traffic you don't have to leave the gas engine running.

Really, what the heck is so wrong with that?
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All that weight in a car they go to the trouble to make out of carbon fiber... what an absurd waste.

I like the 4 door Estoque concept, but a hybrid supercar is just plain dumb.
 
"All that weight"....

How much extra weight? Do you have access to figures I do not? If they go with a smaller V10 + hybrid instead of a V12 they might have used instead is it still a problem for you?

We use all kinds of advanced materials building modern cars who's inherent weight savings end up being taken up by added features, safety systems and larger engines. It's been like that for decades. The result? We have better cars than ever, IMO. If they hadn't gone through the trouble of making a carbon fibre body then it would weigh even more, so it's not an "absurd waste". As well, ever-tightening fuel economy standards mean that ALL manufacturers, even ones like Lamborghini have to look at fuel economy across their model line.

Lamborghinis have never been light, nor have they ever been known as particularly agile cars. They're primarily GT cars really, super-fast cruisers you can toss into a corner in a pinch. The famous Countach and Diablo models handled like crap at their worst and could be described as "forgiving" at best and had vague steering. Only the smaller Gallardo is really what I would call agile, and maybe some of the high-end Murcielagos (that still weigh just shy of 4000 pounds btw) so I don't know why certain people are going on about how they are cutting their own balls off.

If the new car is lighter or the same weight, while being faster and getting better fuel economy, mission accomplished I'd say.

Ferrari and Porsche are making hybrids too, the horror.
 
FordSVT said:
First of all, Lamborghini used to sell an SUV, so forget the blasphemy, and I like the new four door. Crazy looking. People said Porsche sold out when they made the Cayenne too, and yet it's probably the only reason they avoided bankruptcy. As long as they still make the good stuff, who cares what else they make? Lamborghini still makes tractors!

A Hybrid Lambo isn't a bad idea, they're just adding a small electric motor to a V10 or V12 engine so that when you're in low speed or stop and go traffic you don't have to leave the gas engine running.

Really, what the heck is so wrong with that?
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I'd have to say that the weight of the electric motor and the battery packs would negate most if not all fuel savings. Furthermore the car would gain several hundred pounds the would degrade 1/4 mile times and handling. Of course half the people who buy these cars want something flashy and don't give a rat's ass about performance.

Seems to me you could achieve better fuel efficiency by going with smaller engine displacement with forced induction. A turbo or supercharger on a smaller engine typically show similar horsepower and torque ratings that the naturally aspirated larger displacement engine offers.
 
zephramc said:
FordSVT said:
First of all, Lamborghini used to sell an SUV, so forget the blasphemy, and I like the new four door. Crazy looking. People said Porsche sold out when they made the Cayenne too, and yet it's probably the only reason they avoided bankruptcy. As long as they still make the good stuff, who cares what else they make? Lamborghini still makes tractors!

A Hybrid Lambo isn't a bad idea, they're just adding a small electric motor to a V10 or V12 engine so that when you're in low speed or stop and go traffic you don't have to leave the gas engine running.

Really, what the heck is so wrong with that?
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I'd have to say that the weight of the electric motor and the battery packs would negate most if not all fuel savings. Furthermore the car would gain several hundred pounds the would degrade 1/4 mile times and handling. Of course half the people who buy these cars want something flashy and don't give a rat's ass about performance.

Seems to me you could achieve better fuel efficiency by going with smaller engine displacement with forced induction. A turbo or supercharger on a smaller engine typically show similar horsepower and torque ratings that the naturally aspirated larger displacement engine offers.
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...And typically provide the same fuel economy as a larger engine. A 300 horsepower 4 cylinder Subaru STi gets the exact same fuel economy as a 300 horsepower V8 Mustang GT and a 300 horsepower V6 Infinity coupe. Air + fuel = horsepower. I have no idea why people go on about turbos having the economy of a small engine but the power of a bigger one because most of the time it's patently false, especially in a performance applications. You can tune them to be much more efficient in the bottom end, but it usually ends up making a very peaky, very un-enjoyable motor to driver behind.

But according to Lamborghini the hybrid would not to be a several-hundred pounds motor and battery system, that needs to account for 25-50% of the vehicle's horsepower, it's a low-speed assist hybrid system that puts out a couple dozen horsepower to get it around town or through the drive-through which will allow it to shut off the engine during those times. That's all. They're also debating a high-performance diesel Lambo for the European market. It's about meeting fuel target standards and avoiding financial penalties, that's it. I trust their engineers to make it work for them without making a slower car that gets the same mileage.

You really think that's the plan? :rolleyes:
 
msbae said:
You'd think they'd learn from the 'mistake' that Dodge (supposedly) made when they put the Charger name on a 4-door car in 2006...
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What's to learn? Those make BAD-ASS police cars, and they probably sell tons of them that way.
Geckothan said:
There's still the issue that hybrids are for hippies and hippies can't afford Lambos.
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Steve Jobs? The Woz?

Ben Cohen? Jerry Greenfield?

Nope, hippies don't have any money.

:lol:
 
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