"Children of the Gods: Final Cut" Grading and Review Thread
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Whichever idiot decided on that terrible looking and totally pointless opening shot with Earth (that is so bad it looks like it was made when COTG premiered), and the downards swooping into low-res clouds then the instant cut to the overhead shot in the gateroom....
needs to get fired.
needs to get fired.
F. This edit proves to me that Brad Wright should be forcibly retired. Instead of making CotG flow better, every single scene flows worse. Scenes are jarring, the cuts are obvious, and the combination of fx from 12 years ago and today is just ... well, it's stupid.
Among the really stupid decisions was the "gender" scene. Sam is introduced, and in the original, there is this battle of words between her and all the men, with her saying her organs are blah blah. In this version, all of that is eliminated. Instead, it goes right from her being a complete, coherent professional, to Jack going on about how he likes women, he just has a problem with scientists. In the context of this movie and scene, that makes no sense, and makes Jack look like a complete sexist ass.
When they finally are on Abydos, they use a different take, so when Jack goes by Danny to talk with his boy, there isn't that shoulder-shoulder push. But they keep Danny's annoyed reaction? Yeah. That makes tons of sense.
It's just one thing after another. Each decision Brad Wright makes gets progressively worse. He started out just fine, but now, 12 years later? It's time for him to go, and take his Lucasfied "final cut" with him.
Among the really stupid decisions was the "gender" scene. Sam is introduced, and in the original, there is this battle of words between her and all the men, with her saying her organs are blah blah. In this version, all of that is eliminated. Instead, it goes right from her being a complete, coherent professional, to Jack going on about how he likes women, he just has a problem with scientists. In the context of this movie and scene, that makes no sense, and makes Jack look like a complete sexist ass.
When they finally are on Abydos, they use a different take, so when Jack goes by Danny to talk with his boy, there isn't that shoulder-shoulder push. But they keep Danny's annoyed reaction? Yeah. That makes tons of sense.
It's just one thing after another. Each decision Brad Wright makes gets progressively worse. He started out just fine, but now, 12 years later? It's time for him to go, and take his Lucasfied "final cut" with him.
I don't think there were any of the original visual effects shots in this version, well not in terms of CGI. And I thought the reproducttive organs scene was far less sexist this time around Jack stillcomplained about her being a scientist not a woman.
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I agree with OmahaStar about that scene... They really needed to remove Jack's comment about Carter being a woman because without any context or provoking statements from Carter, I felt that it made O'Neill look pretty sexist. To take a conversation that had nothing to do with gender and insert a phrase like, "My issues have nothing to do with you being a woman," kinda makes it appear like the issues is with her being a woman.
Yep, completely agree. Just brainless dumb editing, just for the sake of it. That whole briefing scene is far worse now. Jack sounds completely sexist and brings up her 'being a woman' seemingly out of the blue, and for no reason.
Dumb
Like the rest of the 'final cut'. And I've only seen about 30 minutes of it so far.But that wasn't inserted Jack said that in the original as well, here's the original exchange.
http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/stargate/season1/stargate-101.htm
O'Niell always had a problem scientists which is why he didn't quite get along with Daniel in the beginning and RDA was still trying to get away from how Kurt Russell played the part.
wtf are you talking about DWF?
They removed the parts that referred to Carter being a woman (playing with dolls, reproductive organs), and kept the part where O'Neill brings up her being a woman, and that he doesn't have a problem with that. The remake makes no sense, if you're going to remove the parts that discussed Carter being a woman, then they should have removed what O'Neill said as well.
Can you really not understand a simple concept like that?
They removed the parts that referred to Carter being a woman (playing with dolls, reproductive organs), and kept the part where O'Neill brings up her being a woman, and that he doesn't have a problem with that. The remake makes no sense, if you're going to remove the parts that discussed Carter being a woman, then they should have removed what O'Neill said as well.
Can you really not understand a simple concept like that?
And how exactly is complaining that Jack said his problem with Carter isn't the fact that she's a woman it's because she's a scientist in any way sexist?
Are you really incapable of seeing something so simple?
*no conversation relating to Carter being a woman*
Jack: Oh this has nothing to do with you being a woman
Can't you see that the whole exchange no longer makes sense?
It used to make sense, when they were discussing Carter being a woman, now that half the dialogue is taken away, it doesn't make sense any more.
Are you really incapable of seeing something so simple?
*no conversation relating to Carter being a woman*
Jack: Oh this has nothing to do with you being a woman
Can't you see that the whole exchange no longer makes sense?
It used to make sense, when they were discussing Carter being a woman, now that half the dialogue is taken away, it doesn't make sense any more.
Try rereading at least rewatching the scene O'Neill and the others were surprised that Carter's a woman, Jack even referes to her a him before he sees her for the first time, the line still makes sense. Al they cut was the sexist parts of Carter talking about playing with a Major Matt Mason and her own sexist remark since they did seem to be her down just for being a woman.
Are you really incapable of seeing something so simple?
*no conversation relating to Carter being a woman*
Jack: Oh this has nothing to do with you being a woman
Can't you see that the whole exchange no longer makes sense?
It used to make sense, when they were discussing Carter being a woman, now that half the dialogue is taken away, it doesn't make sense any more.
Try rereading at least rewatching the scene O'Neill and the others were surprised that Carter's a woman, Jack even referes to her a him before he sees her for the first time, the line still makes sense. Al they cut was the sexist parts of Carter talking about playing with a Major Matt Mason and her own sexist remark since they did seem to be her down just for being a woman.
Totally deluded and clueless
Everyone sees it, except you, because the likelihood of you even suggesting that something on the show is anything less than perfect is unimaginable.
"Where's he transfering from"
"She is transfering from the Pentagon"
a minute of so of conversation
"Oh this has nothing to do with you being a woman"
Makes ZERO sense. Open your eyes
Are you really incapable of seeing something so simple?
*no conversation relating to Carter being a woman*
Jack: Oh this has nothing to do with you being a woman
Can't you see that the whole exchange no longer makes sense?
It used to make sense, when they were discussing Carter being a woman, now that half the dialogue is taken away, it doesn't make sense any more.
Try rereading at least rewatching the scene O'Neill and the others were surprised that Carter's a woman, Jack even referes to her a him before he sees her for the first time, the line still makes sense. Al they cut was the sexist parts of Carter talking about playing with a Major Matt Mason and her own sexist remark since they did seem to be her down just for being a woman.
Totally deluded and clueless
Everyone sees it, except you, because the likelihood of you even suggesting that something on the show is anything less than perfect is unimaginable.
"Where's he transfering from"
"She is transfering from the Pentagon"
a minute of so of conversation
"Oh this has nothing to do with you being a woman"
Makes ZERO sense. Open your eyes
Cut out the hyperbole and tell how two posters in this thread means everybody sees that scene as you now seem to?
Absolute garbage. F.
Embarrassing that they felt they could charge us for the 'priviledge' of watching it.
The entire movie, or at least 90% of scenes, featured different takes to the original. The vast majority of lines were said differently, for no purpose at all. Clueless re-editing, why make so many changes to almost every line of dialogue? So that it makes them feel better about making people pay money to see this? Most of the new additions sound horribly out of place and add nothing to the scenes.
The beginning shot in space was just plain bad. I'll say it again, whichever idiot decided on that terrible looking and totally pointless opening shot with Earth (that is so bad it looks like it was made when COTG premiered), and the downards swooping into low-res clouds then the instant cut to the overhead shot in the gateroom.... needs to get fired. Most overhead shots like that go through the clouds, down into a city and into a room. This just cuts straight into 30odd floors underground?
Watch the opening scene again with Hammond staring into the now de-activated Stargate. The background music cut at the end of the scene (that normally led into the opening credits) now just cuts awkwardly into the next scene.
Terrible ad-libbing part about "the person being on the roof", sounded completely fake and pasted in.
Cutting the opening scene with Kawalsky and Jack bonding was a mistake. It was hardly 20 seconds long now. They make this scene very short, but make the part about the team eating and drinking on Abydos FAR longer?
As mentioned above, the "this has nothing to do with you being a woman" line that now comes in out of nowhere ruined the briefing scene.
Sam's "I wonder if he saw the symbols" sounds way too convenient, mere seconds after they realise base camp had been attacked. It's un-necessary.
Description of iris gone. So now it's just an 'insurance policy'.
Losing the bit with Kawalsky taken over at the end...
The ONLY bit I liked was the new glider CG. That's about it.
The bottom line is, most of these changes are either completely un-necessary, or actually make things worse! Why chance almost every scene using different takes for lines of dialogue? Just lazy, clueless stuff. The sort of thing I expect with TPTB in recent years. You don't have to replace every single scene guys.
Awful.
Embarrassing that they felt they could charge us for the 'priviledge' of watching it.
The entire movie, or at least 90% of scenes, featured different takes to the original. The vast majority of lines were said differently, for no purpose at all. Clueless re-editing, why make so many changes to almost every line of dialogue? So that it makes them feel better about making people pay money to see this? Most of the new additions sound horribly out of place and add nothing to the scenes.
The beginning shot in space was just plain bad. I'll say it again, whichever idiot decided on that terrible looking and totally pointless opening shot with Earth (that is so bad it looks like it was made when COTG premiered), and the downards swooping into low-res clouds then the instant cut to the overhead shot in the gateroom.... needs to get fired. Most overhead shots like that go through the clouds, down into a city and into a room. This just cuts straight into 30odd floors underground?
Watch the opening scene again with Hammond staring into the now de-activated Stargate. The background music cut at the end of the scene (that normally led into the opening credits) now just cuts awkwardly into the next scene.
Terrible ad-libbing part about "the person being on the roof", sounded completely fake and pasted in.
Cutting the opening scene with Kawalsky and Jack bonding was a mistake. It was hardly 20 seconds long now. They make this scene very short, but make the part about the team eating and drinking on Abydos FAR longer?
As mentioned above, the "this has nothing to do with you being a woman" line that now comes in out of nowhere ruined the briefing scene.
Sam's "I wonder if he saw the symbols" sounds way too convenient, mere seconds after they realise base camp had been attacked. It's un-necessary.
Description of iris gone. So now it's just an 'insurance policy'.
Losing the bit with Kawalsky taken over at the end...
The ONLY bit I liked was the new glider CG. That's about it.
The bottom line is, most of these changes are either completely un-necessary, or actually make things worse! Why chance almost every scene using different takes for lines of dialogue? Just lazy, clueless stuff. The sort of thing I expect with TPTB in recent years. You don't have to replace every single scene guys.
Awful.
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Not impressed. The whole thing felt like self indulgence on the part of the producers and was completely pointless. This new cut even causes continuity problems with the rest of the season. Why not accept the original cut for what it is and leave it to the fans to decide how the show moved on and improved itself.
Not impressed. The whole thing felt like self indulgence on the part of the producers and was completely pointless. This new cut even causes continuity problems with the rest of the season. Why not accept the original cut for what it is and leave it to the fans to decide how the show moved on and improved itself.
It's not really as a first resort though is it? Children of the Gods is supposed to follow on from the movie (a period of time between them sure, but the events of the movie preceed this episode and are taken into account, ie its not a standalone) where they used the nuke as a last resort.
That plot point in CotG is really them saying that the nuke they used as a last resort in the movie didnt work, so now they are simply going to use a more powerful one to make sure it works this time. A continuation of the last resort action, not a new action that is a first resort.
I havent decided whether to get this or not yet. I have the boxsets and so have the original CotG, and while it's been a while since I watched that, I do remember it being a decent episode, and am not really sure if it needed any recutting.
Since I cant add it to my rental list as they dont list it, I may just hold off until I see it reduced in the future to see it.
My guess is if they are into the series by when they get to the 8th season finale, chances are they might have gone back to check out the pilot as originally aired.
Next to no one will get into the series with this movie.
The first 3 seasons are up for free on Hulu, the season sets can be found for $15 on sale, that's the same price as this one episode. Reruns are shown all the time.
The chances of someone new going "I'll think I'll watch this" is next to none until they go around and stop showing the old (free) version completely.
