Here's the problem with The Soul Key's ending:
The ending, with Illiana proclaiming herself to the gathered Ascendants as the Fire, finally puts the entire "Crisis on Infinite Kiras" into perspective, and seems to finally set the long-awaited Ascendants storyline into motion... and, unless TNES wraps up the arc in one book (doesn't seem likely), the skip ahead in the following DS9-R novel seems even more disappointing... unless the skip ahead will be interwoven with flashbacks, LOST-style. That could be very interesting. Dropping the storyline or rushing it just as you're on the cusp? Not so much.
^ By all means, if you're tired of the books, stop reading them. You can always come back and read them later if you get back into the mood; that's happened to me a bunch of times with series that I love. Hell, the first time I read Unity, I gave it a 6/10 and called it "annoyingly self-indulgent and lacking in story". I'd been not enjoying Trek much for a while, and it was the last Trek book I read for at least a year. And then I came back and re-read it a year later, and thought it was exceptional, 10/10, the best DS9-R book since Avatar. Just had to be in the right mood. So I hear where you're coming from.
That said, I think your criticism is a bit off the mark. The Avatar duology was certainly one story split over two books
I felt differently about Summon the Thunder and Mission Gamma. Each story was satisfying and interesting to me on its own. (Actually, the ongoing elements of the Mission Gamma stories were those I found the least interesting, but they felt more like ongoing subplots than ongoing plots.) I should admit, though, that I never read Lesser Evil, so the cliffhanger aspect wasn't a part of my reading experience. For some reason, I couldn't find it until well after I read Unity.And the DS9 plot of the Mission:Gamma series was one story split over four books, with a cliffhanger that didn't resolve until Unity. And when I read Summon The Thunder, I totally read the middle third of a larger arc, it didn't feel self-contained to me at all.
Maybe the perpetual story was confined only to the books I read (I skipped Q&A and Christopher's books). But neither of the two books published since Destiny have been self-contained, as Destiny wasn't before it, and as Resistance and Before Dishonor (at least) weren't before that. It doesn't help that the eventual Borg invasion story was told much like, and has left an aftermath much like, the Genesis Wave series, which itself was drawn out and plot-driven.The TNG post-Nemesis books, too; if anything, their flaw was that they weren't connected enough. I don't see how you can view Q&A as anything but a total standalone. Losing The Peace is the only one I can think of that might be too connected, but it was 100% character-driven, so I don't see how that really fits your complaint either.
Ah. I didn't read any of those, so I didn't know. Until the DS9 relaunch, I more or less stuck to random standalones (except, unfortunately, the Genesis Wave tetralogy).And it's not like Destiny is the first trilogy that Trek has ever published; in fact, it's at least the 10th. And if you view it as one big-ass story, it's absolutely an episode, in the literary sense, if String Theory or Millennium or any of the others were.
I may be on TNG. I don't read enough Next Generation novels to say whether the ones I've read were the exception or the rule. Vanguard and Deep Space Nine are the two series I read regularly (Titan, being plot-driven almost as a rule, isn't to my liking), and both have had similar problems. In fairness, in Vanguard's case only one book offered an incomplete story, but it was only the fourth book of the series, and was the first new installment in two years.I haven't read Soul Key yet, but I do hear you about the DS9-relaunch; this mirror universe arc was supposed to be two books in two years and has ended up being three books in five years, and it is kind of annoying for the series to stall like that. But I think you're totally off-base on the rest.
If you consider the Mission:Gamma books self-contained, I don't see how you wouldn't consider Resistance and Before Dishonor self-contained. The first left behind a Borg cube that was emptied; that's such a trivial piece of information that even if you'd skipped Resistance entirely, joining Before Dishonor would've been easy. And BD only left behind the single loose end of the Einstein, which was resolved in a book you didn't read anyway.
Avatar was released in one month, and Destiny was released over three. Otherwise, you do make a good point. Perhaps I'm allowing Destiny's other problems to affect my consideration of it as a single rather than separate entities.And if you can consider Avatar one 2-part novel, why not Destiny one 3-part novel?
Consider the opening chapter of Taking Wing, which I would consider somewhat representative of the plot-driven aspect of the Titan series. The chapter is told from the point of view "the operative", but intentionally avoids covering events from his perspective. We are left with plot.And I don't think Titan is plot-driven at all; you must be defining that differently from me. If Titan is plot-driven, so was 90% of televised TNG.
That's probably true. If we had another two year wait ahead of us, I'd probably have decided not to bother reading the next book.Oh, and as far as Vanguard goes, it was 2 years before Open Secrets, but only 7 months to Precipice, so if there had to be an incomplete story Open Secrets was the time to do it.
Hm, I think you may have given up on Titan too soon. I actually agree that a huge problem with the first two books was that most of the new and interesting main characters didn't have much to do with the story, but both of CLB's entries and the thoroughly unique and fascinating Sword Of Damocles are almost completely motivated by the characters' actions.
But I also think that stories about how characters react to circumstances beyond their control can often be just as fascinating and often tell us more about the characters than stories where they do dictate the action. I thought a lot of the character arcs in Destiny were fascinating in that respect, and I also thought Titan's parts of the trilogy were the most character-driven in the sense of being primarily about the characters' emotions and reactions, rather than technology etc.
And certainly if you're looking at Hernandez and her crew, those characters drove the whole history of the Borg.
Either way, it's very funny to me that you're saying that cliffhanger endings make you less likely to buy future books. Usually it's the other way around! I mean, I understand your point of view, it's just surprising to me. I suppose I do agree somewhat though, but I just plan ahead; usually, I'll wait until 2 or 3 books in a given series have come out before I read them, knowing I'll be more satisfied that way. I read the Destiny trilogy in one weekend after all three books were released, so I really did treat it like one giant novel, and that probably increased my enjoyment a lot. I haven't read Open Secrets yet for the same reason.
To a certain extent I agree, but I think I may value having an intellectual connection to the characters more than you do. Ex Machina was the first book that I read that made the TOS characters feel like people to me. Admittedly, a large part of that was that I grew up with the TOS movies and they'd integrated themselves into my mind before I thought about things like characterization much, but either way.The one thing I will say about Christopher's writing, though, is that it isn't character-driven. His writing is driven by ideas. There's very little in the way of information about how characters feel in Orion's Hounds, and I remember Ex Machina having been the same way. Christopher's characters discuss, debate, and consider with one another in very interesting - sometimes very charming - fashion, but they're more avatars of perspectives than persons. (They're well-written avatars.)
The stories form an intellectual connection with the reader more than an emotional one, and more than a personal one. In Christopher's novels, one gains a very good idea of what characters believe - or, sometimes, of what they say they believe - but little understanding of the thoughts behind their actions, the feelings and unspoken ideas, histories, and insights which motivate them. (This may be an unfair criticism of his most recent work; I haven't read it.)
I can't say that this approach is inferior to the one I usually enjoy, but it is different, and I enjoy it less. In the best of worlds, a story would be about ideas, character, and plot, like A Stitch In Time or The Kobayashi Maru, but few novels successfully synergize those engines.
Well, except for Ezri's security chief who deals with causing friendly fire, or Picard, who is confronted with his inability to think rationally, or Geordi, who takes a moral stand in an extremely unusual act for him, or Troi and her baby, or... I mean, sure, they may not have much effect on the outcome of the Borg invasion, but aside from some kind of huge contrived space battle, there's not much way for more than a few people to have an impact on The Borg at a time, and that's been done so many times before. I looked at Destiny as a story about how the crew of the Columbia changed the galaxy, and in the process, changed many of our heroes as well. Just because some characters don't accomplish very much doesn't mean their stories aren't interesting.As a story about the crew of the Columbia, my point about effect on outcome is totally moot. On the other hand, as such a story, it's filled with hundreds of pages about other people who don't accomplish very much.
Yeah. Again, I always make sure I have the whole trilogy before I read the first one. I love big stories, multi-novel huge kinds of epic stories, but I also like experiencing them in their entirety. One of my favorite authors is Peter F. Hamilton, who writes multi-thousand page sci-fi epics, and I can't wait to read his most recent trilogy but I'm forcing myself not to buy it until all three books come out. I know I'll like it better that way.Ironically, the cliffhanger at the end of Heir To the Empire put me off of finishing the rest of the Thrawn trilogy for years when I was in middle school. I only came to love the books after I found myself with nothing to read one morning but The Last Command.
To a certain extent I agree, but I think I may value having an intellectual connection to the characters more than you do. Ex Machina was the first book that I read that made the TOS characters feel like people to me. Admittedly, a large part of that was that I grew up with the TOS movies and they'd integrated themselves into my mind before I thought about things like characterization much, but either way.
I hope so. I'll look for it and Sword of Damocles when I'm next at a bookstore.That said, I think you might find Over A Torrent Sea a bit different. My two favorite scenes in the novel are 100% character stories, not about philosophies or ideas but just characters growing and changing and ultimately triumphing. (Sorry, I tend to be a bit of a cheerleader for books I really love; if you're not interested then you're not interested, but I honestly think OaTS might have more of what you're looking for.)
Well, except for Ezri's security chief who deals with causing friendly fire, or Picard, who is confronted with his inability to think rationally, or Geordi, who takes a moral stand in an extremely unusual act for him, or Troi and her baby, or... I mean, sure, they may not have much effect on the outcome of the Borg invasion, but aside from some kind of huge contrived space battle, there's not much way for more than a few people to have an impact on The Borg at a time, and that's been done so many times before. I looked at Destiny as a story about how the crew of the Columbia changed the galaxy, and in the process, changed many of our heroes as well. Just because some characters don't accomplish very much doesn't mean their stories aren't interesting.[/quote]As a story about the crew of the Columbia, my point about effect on outcome is totally moot. On the other hand, as such a story, it's filled with hundreds of pages about other people who don't accomplish very much.
I read the first four Harry Potter books that way, after being talked into reading the series. But after finishing those within a couple of school days, I was happier anticipating each new volume for two years before it was released. There's something nice about reading a satisfyingly large installment of a story (or watching one on film), then eagerly awaiting the next edition for awhile. The unfortunate problem I've had with Star Trek books is that the awaited installments have been unfulfilling or incomplete.Yeah. Again, I always make sure I have the whole trilogy before I read the first one. I love big stories, multi-novel huge kinds of epic stories, but I also like experiencing them in their entirety. One of my favorite authors is Peter F. Hamilton, who writes multi-thousand page sci-fi epics, and I can't wait to read his most recent trilogy but I'm forcing myself not to buy it until all three books come out. I know I'll like it better that way.
I forgot to specify The Soul Key, when I said the book.Personally, I love the fact that we're getting big ongoing arcs like the current Kiras and Ascendants ones in the DS9 Relaunch. In fact it is the arcs like these that really helped me get into Trek Lit in the first place. Although ever since I started watching shows like Buffy, Lost, Battlestar Galactica and X-Files, I've really started to enjoy the big series spanning arcs in TV too.
As for character vs plot, IMO even if the characters don't have a direct impact on what is happening it can still be interesting to see how they react. This was pretty much how I saw the majority of the Destiny trilogy, not so much as a story about the characters fighting the Borg, but a story about how they deal with and react to the invasion.
I also managed to get my hands on the book at work, and I'm about 15 pages into it and already enjoying it.
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