Not outdated at all. Kirk's particular interest is the Civil War.
The TOS 'stupid statements' thread
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Not outdated at all. Kirk's particular interest is the Civil War.
Another stunner after rewatching The Doomsday Machine:
After breaking free of the machine's tractor beam (with some help from Kirk and the Constellation), Decker is told by Sulu that the machine is gaining on them. His brilliant order in reply:
"Maintain speed and distance"
How exactly would that work? Wouldn't maintaining the same speed allow the machine to catch them? Wouldn't maintaining their distance from the machine require increasing speed to match the pursuer?
This guy was nuts. I would have loved to have seen a shot of Sulu immediately after that order throwing his hands up in frustration.
After breaking free of the machine's tractor beam (with some help from Kirk and the Constellation), Decker is told by Sulu that the machine is gaining on them. His brilliant order in reply:
"Maintain speed and distance"
How exactly would that work? Wouldn't maintaining the same speed allow the machine to catch them? Wouldn't maintaining their distance from the machine require increasing speed to match the pursuer?
This guy was nuts. I would have loved to have seen a shot of Sulu immediately after that order throwing his hands up in frustration.
Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer as if these events were really happening somewhere. Maintain the speed by which they averted their pursuer and distance attained by that increase of speed. It makes sense in a twisted way. They had to show he was crazy - stupid if you ask me.
Oh man for stupid statements, you need look no further than "That Which Survives."
It starts early just after the planet quake and Sulu discovering the Enterprise is gone. There's some quick scientific dialog followed by:
McCOY: "What does that mean, Jim?"
KIRK: "Well for one thing...it means we're stranded."
No shit?
Later on, after they discover D'Amato (and this is such a Plan 9 line):
McCOY: "I wonder what killed him?"
KIRK: "I don't know, but someone or something...did!"
Ya think?
Later, Scott jumps in with:
SCOTTY: "This thing is gonna blow up...and there's nothin' in the universe can stop it."
No kiddin'? Needless to say, Spock figures out how to stop it like 5 minutes later.
This episode is full of false promises, like "you'll be killed, mon!" if Spock tries to stop the energy flow from the crawlway. Yet Scotty is just fine. Or, the ship will explode when the countdown reaches zero...and it doesn't. And I love how quickly the Enterprise returnes to Losira's planet after they solve the problem. Unless they meant to imply Kirk, Bones and Sulu were walking around those tunnels for weeks at a time without food or water.
Others of note:
SULU: "I don't wanna have to kill a woman!"
Men, however, are fine.
KIRK: "Mr. Sulu, if I wanted a Russian history lesson, I would have brought along Mr. Chekov."
Jeez, Kirk, he was only trying to contribute. That's twice you shut him up in as many minutes.
KIRK: "Are there men on this planet?"
LOSIRA: "They are...no more."
What's with the Kirk/Sulu role reversal? How about asking "is there anyone else on this planet?" Especially since Losira's response could mean that there are thousands of women still alive...
Not to mention that D'Amato's "tombstone" not only doesn't include his first name ("Lt. D'Amato" - jeez the poor unloved bastard), but ovbiously someone had a Sharpie on them. I wonder if it was part of the geological Tricorder's kit?
It starts early just after the planet quake and Sulu discovering the Enterprise is gone. There's some quick scientific dialog followed by:
McCOY: "What does that mean, Jim?"
KIRK: "Well for one thing...it means we're stranded."
No shit?
Later on, after they discover D'Amato (and this is such a Plan 9 line):
McCOY: "I wonder what killed him?"
KIRK: "I don't know, but someone or something...did!"
Ya think?
Later, Scott jumps in with:
SCOTTY: "This thing is gonna blow up...and there's nothin' in the universe can stop it."
No kiddin'? Needless to say, Spock figures out how to stop it like 5 minutes later.
This episode is full of false promises, like "you'll be killed, mon!" if Spock tries to stop the energy flow from the crawlway. Yet Scotty is just fine. Or, the ship will explode when the countdown reaches zero...and it doesn't. And I love how quickly the Enterprise returnes to Losira's planet after they solve the problem. Unless they meant to imply Kirk, Bones and Sulu were walking around those tunnels for weeks at a time without food or water.
Others of note:
SULU: "I don't wanna have to kill a woman!"
Men, however, are fine.
KIRK: "Mr. Sulu, if I wanted a Russian history lesson, I would have brought along Mr. Chekov."
Jeez, Kirk, he was only trying to contribute. That's twice you shut him up in as many minutes.
KIRK: "Are there men on this planet?"
LOSIRA: "They are...no more."
What's with the Kirk/Sulu role reversal? How about asking "is there anyone else on this planet?" Especially since Losira's response could mean that there are thousands of women still alive...
Not to mention that D'Amato's "tombstone" not only doesn't include his first name ("Lt. D'Amato" - jeez the poor unloved bastard), but ovbiously someone had a Sharpie on them. I wonder if it was part of the geological Tricorder's kit?
Well, if their speed was faster than the planet killer, then maintaining that speed would keep them out of range. I actually took this to mean Sulu was to maintain the carrying out of Decker's retreat order. "Maintin our acceleration away from the machine and keep our distance."
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I guess you could call some of that dialogue stupid, but you could find dialogue like that in almost any episode.
I don't think say, "I don't want to shoot a woman" is so 'stupid'
It certainly DOESN'T imply he WANTS to shoot men.
I don't want to punch a man, but I really would hate to hit a woman, even more.
I'm not saying all the dialogue was great though.
The countdown to blow-up was dumb when the time ran out and it didn't blow. I mean he figures the impossible shifting odds of taking the fortress in Errand... to the tenth of a point and he's off by several seconds for a measuable thing like an overload.
I hated when they didn't adjust the voice-overs to the live-action.
In Conscience....McCoy's V.O. says riley's condition is worsening and then he says he likely won't make it and then a few seconds later he says he'll live, with no real passing of time. And then Riley's out of bed and on a mission of murder hours later. Damn McCoy is good.
In 'Devil in the Dark' Kirk says he'll kill the first miner who fires at the horta. Really? He'd kill one of the miners who have lost 50 of their own if they took a shot at the Horta. I suppose he was talking trash to get his point across, but summary execution for taking a shot at a creature that about ten minutes earlier he told everybody to shoot to kill? Especially odd since the Horta was highly phaser resistant.
I don't think say, "I don't want to shoot a woman" is so 'stupid'
It certainly DOESN'T imply he WANTS to shoot men.
I don't want to punch a man, but I really would hate to hit a woman, even more.
I'm not saying all the dialogue was great though.
The countdown to blow-up was dumb when the time ran out and it didn't blow. I mean he figures the impossible shifting odds of taking the fortress in Errand... to the tenth of a point and he's off by several seconds for a measuable thing like an overload.
I hated when they didn't adjust the voice-overs to the live-action.
In Conscience....McCoy's V.O. says riley's condition is worsening and then he says he likely won't make it and then a few seconds later he says he'll live, with no real passing of time. And then Riley's out of bed and on a mission of murder hours later. Damn McCoy is good.
In 'Devil in the Dark' Kirk says he'll kill the first miner who fires at the horta. Really? He'd kill one of the miners who have lost 50 of their own if they took a shot at the Horta. I suppose he was talking trash to get his point across, but summary execution for taking a shot at a creature that about ten minutes earlier he told everybody to shoot to kill? Especially odd since the Horta was highly phaser resistant.
Good ones. This is what I was trying to drive at...
Stupid on both accounts. I'd have expected something more like:
McCOY: "I better check him out, to see what might have killed him."
KIRK: "At first I thought we were alone down here, now I'm not so sure."
SCOTTY: "While the Captain's away, you're the most important man on the ship, Spock! Let me do it."
SPOCK: "Quite true. And you are more experienced in these matters. Very well, you've got your work cut out for you Mr. Scott."
I'd have expected, KIRK: "Well for one thing, without the Enterprise we've no water, food, or protection. We better find alternatives and fast." (Something he does say later, but it would've been more appropriate up front).
Stupid on both accounts. I'd have expected something more like:
McCOY: "I better check him out, to see what might have killed him."
KIRK: "At first I thought we were alone down here, now I'm not so sure."
I'd expect:
SCOTTY: "While the Captain's away, you're the most important man on the ship, Spock! Let me do it."
SPOCK: "Quite true. And you are more experienced in these matters. Very well, you've got your work cut out for you Mr. Scott."
Very good point. What does it matter whether there are men or women on this planet. It's almost as if Kirk is thinking about the presence of leadership, following the 60's chauvinistic attitude.
I know... you'd figure that they'd make it look like it was phaser etched. But then, what a waste of a valuable resource. Yeah, definitely a nice big fat graffiti style Sharpie in the tricorder.
Kelso: "Main engines are... gone."
And someone needs to say it again...
"WHEN I CAME ABOARD!"
"Sh-stay... sh-stay... sh-stay... sh-stay..."
And someone needs to say it again...
"WHEN I CAME ABOARD!"
"Sh-stay... sh-stay... sh-stay... sh-stay..."
Good ones. This is what I was trying to drive at...
I'd have expected, KIRK: "Well for one thing, without the Enterprise we've no water, food, or protection. We better find alternatives and fast." (Something he does say later, but it would've been more appropriate up front).
Stupid on both accounts. I'd have expected something more like:
McCOY: "I better check him out, to see what might have killed him."
KIRK: "At first I thought we were alone down here, now I'm not so sure."
I'd expect:
SCOTTY: "While the Captain's away, you're the most important man on the ship, Spock! Let me do it."
SPOCK: "Quite true. And you are more experienced in these matters. Very well, you've got your work cut out for you Mr. Scott."
Very good point. What does it matter whether there are men or women on this planet. It's almost as if Kirk is thinking about the presence of leadership, following the 60's chauvinistic attitude.
I know... you'd figure that they'd make it look like it was phaser etched. But then, what a waste of a valuable resource. Yeah, definitely a nice big fat graffiti style Sharpie in the tricorder.
This maybe off topic, but I want to know HOW they would etch anything with a hand Phaser when the material EVERYTHING on the planet was made of was immune to hand Phaser fire. That's stated IN the episode when they attempt to use a hand Phaser to dig a grave for Lt. D'Amato.
What!?! No mention of the famous "one to the fourth power" statement in Courtmartial.
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It's been years since I've posted here so I'd just like to mention Mr Kowel in 'The Immunity Syndrome'. Why can't The Shat say Mr Kyle like he did in dozens of other episodes?
I remember when I was 5 or 6 watching this and thinking 'Mr Kowel looks like Mr Kyle but Kirk must know his own crew' and then when other people would call him Kyle it just got me a bit confused :-)
I remember when I was 5 or 6 watching this and thinking 'Mr Kowel looks like Mr Kyle but Kirk must know his own crew' and then when other people would call him Kyle it just got me a bit confused :-)
McCoy's "Don't destroy the one called Kirk" speech always makes me cringe.
Wow, I so agree.
I started to hate that as the years went by and I have been trying to justify that horrible bit of writing by thinking, "maybe other folks think that is a wise or clever or touching speech" but it's total crap. I hate to say that about any of Kelley/McCoy's lines because usualy he was so well written.....
But it is so pompous and ridiculous and you can even see Shatner (IMO) just thinking, "boy that was a crap speech' as Kelley finishes.
I'm so glad they made McCoy's speech so much more natural and spontaneous than that. If he had gone around making innane speeches like that for the rest of season 1---he never would have got promoted to regular in season 2.
The 'real' McCoy could have gotten the exact same sentiment across in 1/5 of the time & words.
"WHEN I CAME ABOARD!!!!!!"
THE WOMEN !!!! LOL
^^Terrible 'on-the-nose' writing--just awful.
I really hate it when people point out how enlighteing this episode was about race relations in the 60s.
I think that many other episodes did a way better job commenting on race relations without even mentioning race.
"WHEN I CAME ABORAD!!!! "
I really hate it when people point out how enlighteing this episode was about race relations in the 60s.
I think that many other episodes did a way better job commenting on race relations without even mentioning race.
"WHEN I CAME ABORAD!!!! "
Maybe I'm dense.....quite possibly....
I don't recall where that line that keeps getting repeated is from:
"WHEN I CAME ABOARD!"
Can someone fill me in?
I don't recall where that line that keeps getting repeated is from:
"WHEN I CAME ABOARD!"
Can someone fill me in?
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