STAR TREK:COUNTDOWN...Should It Be Canonized as Background for Movie?

[Deks]

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OT:
No.

It makes no sense either because if the Narada was indeed equipped with Borg technology in any capacity ... it wouldn't have succumbed to the 23rd century weapons as it did in the movie.
Keeping it a regular Romulan mining ship from the late 24th century makes sense actually and is better.

 

[Jeri]

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IIRC from the TrekLit forum, the PocketBooks people intend to ignore "Countdown" in their upcoming post-Nemesis novels...etc.

That's interesting; and bringing Susan Gibney ("Leah Brahms") on for a new computer voice sounds like an interesting idea, too.

 

[SonicRanger]

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No. As said, the story seems like bad fanfic: Geordi designs the Jellyfish, Romulans using Borg tech to built superweapons, Data is back from the dead and captain of the Enterprise, Worf is somehow a Klingon general, etc.

Its status should be exactly the same as the vastly superior Pocket Books novels: non-canon.

Or are we going to make all Star Trek commercial tie-in products canon now?

How about the Esurance Star Trek game featuring Keenser?

 

[Hartzilla2007]

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No. As said, the story seems like bad fanfic: Geordi designs the Jellyfish, Romulans using Borg tech to built superweapons, Data is back from the dead and captain of the Enterprise, Worf is somehow a Klingon general, etc.

Its status should be exactly the same as the vastly superior Pocket Books novels: non-canon.

Or are we going to make all Star Trek commercial tie-in products canon now?

How about the Esurance Star Trek game featuring Keenser?

But don'tyou see thanks to JJ using the muiltiverse theory to perserve Trek canon IT'S ALL canon now because in some universe or several universes all the trek tie-in stuff wasmade into episodes.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

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Take it or leave it. Who needs some official executive suit to tell you what to think?
I am however all for the nominating it for sainthood part.

Saint Countdown the Okay, I Guess, patron of Meh.

 

[God Magnus]

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I think there are some problems with the story. It was very much a fanfic-esque fest of cameos, but then again Peter David sometimes treads into that ground and makes it work. I personally enjoyed "Countdown" a lot and it's part of my "personal" canon for the movie, but if something "more official" were to come out later I'll gladl acknowledge it.

 

[Mach5]

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OT:
No.

It makes no sense either because if the Narada was indeed equipped with Borg technology in any capacity ... it wouldn't have succumbed to the 23rd century weapons as it did in the movie.

You're forgetting that Narada didn't have those key ingredients that make Borg ships powerful - the hive mind and thousands of hard working drones.

 

[God Magnus]

Re: STAR TREK:COUNTDOWN...Should It Be Canonized as Background for Mov

OT:
No.

It makes no sense either because if the Narada was indeed equipped with Borg technology in any capacity ... it wouldn't have succumbed to the 23rd century weapons as it did in the movie.

You're forgetting that Narada didn't have those key ingredients that make Borg ships powerful - the hive mind and thousands of hard working drones.

I'd also add in that having some Borg tech does not automatically give you all the abilities of the Borg. They may have managed to get some of the Borg's regenerative abilities or weapons, but perhaps not their shield technology etc.

 

[CaptainKen]

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I'd also add in that having some Borg tech does not automatically give you all the abilities of the Borg. They may have managed to get some of the Borg's regenerative abilities or weapons, but perhaps not their shield technology etc.

Good point! I agree.

Something has been forgotten here. CANON is only in play here until the USS Kelvin encounters the Narada. Everything after that point occurs in a timeline different than what we are calling CANON. As for the later COUNTDOWN / TNG material, it is post-Nemesis and there is little CANON beyond Nemesis. The new movie is a REBOOT... a starting over. It is a re-envisioning of Star Trek. As such we don't need to debate whether COUNTDOWN should be / could be canonical. We could just take it as the beginning of a new canon for a re-envisioned Star Trek.

In other words, instead of debating whether Countdown is canonical, why not just view Countdown, the Movie and the upcoming comics (Nero, the Movie) as a re-envisioning of Star Trek which is essentially establishing a new canon.

Just thinking,
Ken

 

[Captain MAJ]

Re: STAR TREK:COUNTDOWN...Should It Be Canonized as Background for Mov

OT:
No.

It makes no sense either because if the Narada was indeed equipped with Borg technology in any capacity ... it wouldn't have succumbed to the 23rd century weapons as it did in the movie.

When did the Narada 'succumb to 23rd century weapons'?

 

[JarodRussell]

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Honestly, I think it's way too badly done to deserve to be canonized.

I think it's horrible. The comic itself, from its drawing to the story's structure, and the story itself.

 

[CaptJimboJones]

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Honestly, I think it's way too badly done to deserve to be canonized.

Well, "canon" was never about quality - Spock's Brain, Shades of Gray, A Night In Sickbay, Star Trek V, and countless other horrible examples are Star Trek are nonetheless enshrined as canon by Viacom/Paramount.

As virtually all of us already know, the studio does not consider books/comics/games etc. to be canon, and thus writers on future on-screen Trek projects don't have to take them into account. So unless a big change in the "rules" is afoot, there's not much point to the debate.

All of that said, I did enjoy Countdown - it was far from perfect, but presented an interesting backstory to the film.

 

[JohanKoch]

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I have not read it, have no plans to, and was going to say "absolutely not" just on principle. What a mess canon would be if things like comic books were elevated just so fan-boys can use it to clear up plot holes in a movie.

Then I read this...

No. As said, the story seems like bad fanfic: Geordi designs the Jellyfish, Romulans using Borg tech to built superweapons, Data is back from the dead and captain of the Enterprise, Worf is somehow a Klingon general, etc.

...and can't believe there are people who think any of that should be canon. Sounds like some sort of awful parody.

 

[Jeri]

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Well, I will say this for it: Data looked good. Dude was drawn badass.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

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No, no, a thousand times no. The story was shallow and was one step away from being fanboyish (apparently comic characters do cameos). It also looked and read as if it had been hurried together.
The story also makes it even harder to understand what would make Nero snap and go after Spock. It's not like Spock was responsible for the stalling around, and Nero knows that. Spock was frantically trying to help, and even engaged Federation help.
As the comic is written, Nero may have a beef with Vulcan, he certainly has one with the remaining Romulans (who didn't believe they were in danger to begin with). But Spock?
In the movie, the vagueness of what actually happened makes his hate of Spock make more sense than it does in the comic.

It was a neat idea to sell comic books by taking advantage of anticipation of the movie. But that's all it was. A money grab.

Nero's motive was a weak point in the movie. He's dead, fine, we can forget that and move on. But something that is weak shouldn't be dwelled upon. Concentrate on the strengths for future movies.

 

[Mach5]

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I have not read it, have no plans to, and was going to say "absolutely not" just on principle. What a mess canon would be if things like comic books were elevated just so fan-boys can use it to clear up plot holes in a movie.

Then I read this...

No. As said, the story seems like bad fanfic: Geordi designs the Jellyfish, Romulans using Borg tech to built superweapons, Data is back from the dead and captain of the Enterprise, Worf is somehow a Klingon general, etc.

...and can't believe there are people who think any of that should be canon. Sounds like some sort of awful parody.

OMG, is it my imagination, or do we have a "Canon Jihadist" among our ranks?

 

[cooleddie74]

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"Canon Jihadist."

Great. ANOTHER subspecies of poster hellbent on destroying all that is sacred and just in the TREK universe.

 

[Plecostomus]

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"Canon Jihadist."

Great. ANOTHER subspecies of poster hellbent on destroying all that is sacred and just in the TREK universe.

Is that more or less destructive than the standard Canonites and is it above or below the canonwanker on the annoyance scale?

 

[miraclefan]

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YES! *hey cooleddie, Why didn't you put a poll up?*

 

[cooleddie74]

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"Canon Jihadist."

Great. ANOTHER subspecies of poster hellbent on destroying all that is sacred and just in the TREK universe.

Is that more or less destructive than the standard Canonites and is it above or below the canonwanker on the annoyance scale?

Depends. Ill consult the sacred Okuda texts and get back to you on that.