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Tomorrow is Yesterday ...WTF?

Yeoman Randi

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I've searched thru the threads and didnt find any addressing this question (but if i've missed one, please forgive me)...

i just finished re-watching Tomorrow is Yesterday and was left with a big WTF? Is it just me, or did the whole 'go back in time and re-transport Cpt Christopher and that dopey security guy' NOT MAKE SENSE?

Can anyone explain to me how they returned those guys and how the people they beamed back suddenly forgot what happened to them?

Or was that all just one big 'whoops' as far as common sense goes?

Thanks in advance. And, if i am showing my stupidity please be kind.
 
You're not stupid. You just want a 60s tv show to make sense. Illogical perhaps, but not stupid.:)
 
OK, thanks. I guess i need to listen to my husband more...i tend to take it all too seriously, and he is always saying, "Babe. Its. Not. Real."
 
Hey, the chronometer was running backward and then started running forward -- we saw it. ;) Spock knew when those guys got there, so he just beamed them back at the right time. Voilà. Piece o' pie; easy as cake.
 
Hey, the chronometer was running backward and then started running forward -- we saw it. ;) Spock knew when those guys got there, so he just beamed them back at the right time. Voilà. Piece o' pie; easy as cake.
Except for the tiny detail that Christopher's plane disintegrated a second later. Oops!
 
Ah, the old rewind time around the ship and beam the air force officers back to their old places but in the new timeline in which the events of the episode never occurred trick.

Works every time.
 
It was just a simpler time, when we - the general viewing public - didn't know quite so much and were just a smidge more willing to suspend our disbelief ... and accept that a 2 x 4 and plywood construct with Christmas tree lights for engines really was a starship that could best a planet destroying monstrosity ... made from an aerosol can wrapped in tinfoil, and a "little green man from Alpha Centauri" could make time run backward and erase people's memories.

God, I miss those days .... :sigh:
 
Hey, the chronometer was running backward and then started running forward -- we saw it. ;) Spock knew when those guys got there, so he just beamed them back at the right time. Voilà. Piece o' pie; easy as cake.
Except for the tiny detail that Christopher's plane disintegrated a second later. Oops!
In fact, it doesn't, you might notice. They figured out NOT to put the tractor beam on it again from the first occasion.
 
Except for the tiny detail that Christopher's plane disintegrated a second later. Oops!
In fact, it doesn't, you might notice. They figured out NOT to put the tractor beam on it again from the first occasion.

No, the idea was that this was a timeline in which the Enterprise wasn't present at all.

I like to look at it as a quantum-mechanical thing. "Parallel timelines" are really different quantum states of the universe. So the you in this timeline and the you in a parallel timeline are actually the same entity made of the same particles; that ensemble of particles is simply existing in multiple collective quantum states. So the Christopher that was beamed off the Enterprise and the Christopher in the jet plane in another timeline were actually a single entity all along, and beaming them together basically just caused the two quantum states to collapse back into one, a single person with a single set of memories -- the memories consistent with the quantum state of the larger reality he occupied, one in which the Enterprise wasn't present.
 
I've always been confused as to how that really could happen as the way it looked was that they were beaming the future version into a past version and I was going to add there that it wouldn't seem possibile as there adding a duplicate person onto an already existing person, duplicating every cell of that person body so to speak.

But as mentioned is seems that, if I get this right, the molcules that make up the future version are written into the molecular make up of the past version thereby avoiding any duplication of cells??

Yes, no, too much thinking?
 
But as mentioned is seems that, if I get this right, the molcules that make up the future version are written into the molecular make up of the past version thereby avoiding any duplication of cells??

They're the same molecules. Aside from that small percentage that have been, err, expelled from the body in the interim and replenished by new food, drink, and respiration, but in the course of a day or two that isn't going to be many. In quantum physics, a single particle can exist in two or more states at the same time, and alternate timelines -- and alternate people within those timelines -- are whole ensembles of particles existing in multiple states. But it's still a single set of particles that only has the illusion of existing as two separate entities. And it's possible for those two quantum states to collapse into one, for the single set of particles to resume behaving as a single set rather than two (discounting, for the sake of simplicity, all the other alternate timelines that exist out there).
 
Yeah, I was just going to say, if that's the way you're looking at it, there's no such thing as a greater reality. Reality is just a container. I don't know why, when condensed, Christopher or the guard would particularly revert to a reality where the Enterprise didn't exist.
 
This is a fun episode, one of my favorites. I give it a "pass" because it's a comedy episode. If the ending doesn't make sense, then you've got to believe that somehow, the transporter does make sense (suspension of disbelief).
 
It's one of them usual time travel choices: does the travel technique in this particular adventure fall within category A or B? That is, is time a single path which can be rewritten if one knows how to go back to a certain point? Or does interference with a certain point create a divergent timeline?

Both types of adventure should be possible. Even if the world is built so that time always branches out, certain time travel techniques should ensure that our heroes always return to the one particular future branch that was created due to their past interference, and thus supposedly to one that was remade to their liking. Other techniques wouldn't do this.

If we assume that time using slingshot travel is a single rewritable line, then what our heroes did should work all right as far as most of the universe is concerned. What this approach shouldn't explain is what happened to the original Enterprise - the one that tore apart Christopher's plane and got recorded on USAF files as a UFO. Why wasn't she present when Kirk traveled back in time? We can always assume that she was, and that the second ship nicely but firmly bumped her aside at a crucial moment (supposedly when she was sensor-blind), causing her not to destroy the F-104. USAF records should then remain unsabotaged, but they would only record the two radar blips of the two starships, not any close observations by Christopher who was dazzled by the transporter glitter and didn't see a thing.

Or then Christopher was blinded at such a moment that he lost track of the ship and ceased to be seen as a threat by the "first-pass" starship, so no tractor was applied.

If time branched out, then Kirk could have hit a slightly different branch the second time around, avoiding his earlier self. But those adventure types are usually unsatisfactory, because it sounds hollow to "mend" one time branch and feel good about it when another remains unmended...

In any case, it makes sense for Kirk to go back in time and put some things right, such as prevent his former self from destroying Christopher's plane. It makes no obvious sense to beam the "first-pass" Christopher and Sarge to the bodies of the "second-pass" Christopher and Sarge, though - except perhaps as a legal formality. "We didn't really kill them, we just cremated them within their own bodies" or something like that. In the end, the "first-pass" two would still be dead, their lives and thought processes permanently discontinued. Which was probably the humane thing to do, if both Kirk and McCoy for a rare once could agree that those two had no place in the fantastic 23rd century...

Timo Saloniemi
 
I don't know why, when condensed, Christopher or the guard would particularly revert to a reality where the Enterprise didn't exist.

In quantum terms, because that's the reality they're in. Their quantum state is determined by the greater system they're interacting with.
 
If they arrived at a timeline with the Enterprise in it, then the Enterprise is part of their associated system. There's no reason to assume they could be returned to a specificity, even within their local group.

The way I remember it is there are infinite eventualities, and all eventualities express themselves. It would be pretty much impossible to arrive back where you want. I'm thinking that's why the Vulcans declared time travel impossible. You can go, but you can't get back. Who would want that.
 
Christopher has the right of it-and following through with Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, once the quantum states are brought to the observer's attention(this being the point where Spock beamed the two back) the less probable state collapses into the more probable state, leaving no "first Enterprise" to be encountered by the "second", weird as that sounds. It also avoids the issue of implosions when the two men "occupy" their own bodies.
 
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