It ultimately does seem to come down to this.
Your blatant personal flame aside, Number6, it's a legitimate question, since everything you say here
hinges on the importance not of the movie's success (which I already stated), but that it's now
acceptable as part of mainstream society again.
You do seem to be so very hurt and offended by this film's success. Should my agreeing with that sentiment constitute a
flame??? That's a stretch.
I never said everything hinges on the success of this film. Not once. What I did say is that if the film is successful another will be made. That is how the entertainment industry works: Success means more. Failure means less. the math on that isn't terribly complicated.
Since no other incarnation of Trek has ever relied on that, why is it so important that this one need be, even in light of the evidence that it was merely one in a long chain of movie-fads?
Every incarnation of Trek has relied on that. TMP was successful as a proof of concept, TWOK's success greenlit TSFS. TVH's success ignited interest in a new series. TNG's success ignited interest in other films and other series. Nemesis was not successful. Nemesis' failure guaranteed that we will not see another TNG film. Enterprise was not successful. Enterprise's cancellation was the end of televised Trek. Each incarnation of Trek is weighed against the immediate future of the franchise.
You keep bringing up that this film was a "fad," and claim that I think this film is so important, and yet you fail to present any proof and continue to make erroneous generalizations about what you think I said instead of debating about what I
am saying. [/quote]
Other than you going 'la la la' as an argument about how wrong I am, why not address the very core of the issue.
I have..repeatedly. You've lost. The horse is dead. Stop beating it.
Why must you, personally, require Trek to be accepted to the public at a level it never has been before? Seems like a simple question to me.
For one..
I never said it had to.
But to answer your simple question...
Everything in Hollywood prospers or fades based on performance. If a movie performs well, we are rewarded with a sequel. If that sequel performs well, we are rewarded with a franchise. If that franchise does well, we are rewarded with other films, series, books, merchandise.. If it fails, it ends until someone decides there is enough interest to warrant its revival.
Star Trek died in 2005.
Someone decided that the franchise needed fresh blood to be revived.
Enter JJ Abrams, who has two successful series on the air and made a promising installment to the flagging MI franchise. JJ Abrams is asked to do a Star Trek. He does. It makes a lot of money, therefore Paramount wants his team to make more. If it succeeds there will be more films. If not, it will lay fallow until someone decides that there is interest to warrant more Star Trek.
Star Trek has always tried to get a mainstream audience. Each incarnation has always tried to pull in new fans. It is how it has survived for 40+ years.
Star Trek isn't a charity for the dwindling hardcore base. GR created the show to make money. That's not opinion, that is fact. And Paramount continues to put out DVDs and make films to make money. That's reality. No right or wrong.. Just reality.
I like this film, so of course I want to see it succeed. You don't and that's fine, but it doesn't make what you say valid.
You can't say "Those toys aren't selling anymore after 10 weeks, therefore the film was a fad and nobody cares" and actually think anyone could possibly take you seriously. That's just a stupid thing to say. I already made my point about that and I won't make it again. Scroll back and read it for yourself. you still haven't proven your point and so far what you have said is pointless hyperbole without a shred of factual proof. And you continually put words in my mouth and argue that instead of actually debating what I am saying, and then play the victim when I call you on how silly it is. That's what's going on here. You have all the answers you're going to get from me.
You.
Lose.
