Why did Seven keep wearing the catsuit?

[RandyS]

Because of the young male viewers TPTB tought were the main audience of Voyager.


Okay, kidding aside,

What kidding? You're right. It's the same answer as to why T'Pol wore a catsuit.

I don't dispute this, but I felt I should say something. I'm a heterosexual teenage male, and I roll my eyes whenever I hear people saying that we watch shows for women in catsuits. It strikes me as rather offensive, both to us and the women. There are far better reasons for watching Seven and T'Pol- they're fascinating characters portrayed by skilled actors. The whole young-men-are-sex-crazed idea really should be retired...

The whole idea won't be retired for the simple reason that it's true. I was a sex crazed teenager twenty-five years ago, and now, at the end of my 30's, I'm still sex crazed. If you are a teenager, I'd imagine (and remember I speak from experience here) that it's even harder for you to keep your hormones under control. It mellows over time, but NEVER goes away completely. Trust me.

Don't take offense, it's a simple truth of biology.

Like it or not, you are the target audience both Seven of Nine and T'Pol were created for.

 

[Lynx]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't those in charge more and less admit that the addition of Seven was because they wanted to attract male, teenage viewers who normally didn't watch Star Trek.

 

[teya]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't those in charge more and less admit that the addition of Seven was because they wanted to attract male, teenage viewers who normally didn't watch Star Trek.

Male, teenage viewers are and have always been Star Trek's biggest audience.

UPN wanted to keep them, because they were turning away from Voyager.

The producers on Voyager wanted Seven because she opened up more storytelling avenues.

 

[Lynx]

They already had the best characters ever in any Star Trek series and the best premise for any Star Trek series.

So why didn't they use those opportunities? Instead they wasted all of that.

 

[teya]

They already had the best characters ever in any Star Trek series and the best premise for any Star Trek series.

There are many who would disagree with this opinion.

 

[Lynx]

They already had the best characters ever in any Star Trek series and the best premise for any Star Trek series.

There are many who would disagree with this opinion.

And many who will agree with me as well!

 

[teya]

They already had the best characters ever in any Star Trek series and the best premise for any Star Trek series.

There are many who would disagree with this opinion.

And many who will agree with me as well!

Unfortunately for you, TPTB weren't among them.

 

[exodus]

They already had the best characters ever in any Star Trek series and the best premise for any Star Trek series.

There are many who would disagree with this opinion.

And many who will agree with me as well!

While I understand where your opinion comes from, lets put it this way: If the characters before Seven were and big draw for the audience at large, wouldn't Voyager have pulled in bigger ratings? If the ratings were strong, they might never have needed Seven to being with to attract an audience to the show.

 

[Lynx]

There are many who would disagree with this opinion.

And many who will agree with me as well!

Unfortunately for you, TPTB weren't among them.

Ah, that bunch of lousy writers and producers and character destroyers.

exodus wrote:

While I understand where your opinion comes from, lets put it this way: If the characters before Seven were and big draw for the audience at large, wouldn't Voyager have pulled in bigger ratings? If the ratings were strong, they might never have needed Seven to being with to attract an audience to the show.

Voyager was the second spin-off to TNG. Spin-offs never become as popular as the original product. It was expected that the Voyager fan-base should be smaller than those of TNG and DS9.

Note also that the ratings are lower for seasons 4-7 than for seasons 1-3. There was a slight peak when Seven joined but it didn't take long before the ratings went down again.

The only theing they managed to do was to split the fanbase and insult parts of it.

 

[exodus]

And many who will agree with me as well!

Unfortunately for you, TPTB weren't among them.

Ah, that bunch of lousy writers and producers and character destroyers.

exodus wrote:

While I understand where your opinion comes from, lets put it this way: If the characters before Seven were and big draw for the audience at large, wouldn't Voyager have pulled in bigger ratings? If the ratings were strong, they might never have needed Seven to being with to attract an audience to the show.

Voyager was the second spin-off to TNG. Spin-offs never become as popular as the original product. It was expected that the Voyager fan-base should be smaller than those of TNG and DS9.

Note also that the ratings are lower for seasons 4-7 than for seasons 1-3. There was a slight peak when Seven joined but it didn't take long before the ratings went down again.

The only theing they managed to do was to split the fanbase and insult parts of it.

That was my point. Outside of personal opinion, how does Voyager have the best characters & premise? That's why I ask because what you just described is the makings of a flop.

 

[Lynx]

Best premise: A ship with Federation and Maquis crew lost on the other site of the galaxy. Can it be better? No starbases, no secure territory, all unknown territory. The possibilities for storytelling are endless.

The best characters: Not the usual perfect Starfleet cardboard cut-outs that we have seen in many other series but a mixed crew of personalities. A Commander who dropped out of Starfleet to become a Maquis commanted, a son of an Admiral who screwed up but was given a new chance and took it, a troubled half-human, half-Klingon tech wiz who also were given a new chance and took it, a space-tramp with a troubled and tragic background, a woman with unusual and intersting mental abilities, a strong-willed female captain facing the most difficult mission ever in Star Trek, a holographic doctor plus two more casual Star trek characters: a Vulcan Security Chief and a young Ensign on his first mission.

What a crew. Here we have excellent opportunities for great interaction between those interesting characters.

Can you wish for anything better?

 

[exodus]

Best premise: A ship with Federation and Maquis crew lost on the other site of the galaxy. Can it be better? No starbases, no secure territory, all unknown territory. The possibilities for storytelling are endless.

The best characters: Not the usual perfect Starfleet cardboard cut-outs that we have seen in many other series but a mixed crew of personalities. A Commander who dropped out of Starfleet to become a Maquis commanted, a son of an Admiral who screwed up but was given a new chance and took it, a troubled half-human, half-Klingon tech wiz who also were given a new chance and took it, a space-tramp with a troubled and tragic background, a woman with unusual and intersting mental abilities, a strong-willed female captain facing the most difficult mission ever in Star Trek, a holographic doctor plus two more casual Star trek characters: a Vulcan Security Chief and a young Ensign on his first mission.

What a crew. Here we have excellent opportunities for great interaction between those interesting characters.

Can you wish for anything better?

yes, that Voyager be like DS9 or intelligent like TNG.

 

[kimc]

yes, that Voyager be like DS9 or intelligent like TNG.

No thanks! If I want dreary and depressing nuBSG does it better.

 

[exodus]

yes, that Voyager be like DS9 or intelligent like TNG.

No thanks! If I want dreary and depressing nuBSG does it better.

Could be why it puts me to sleep.

 

[ria 75]

She would say the second-skin design is efficient.
But so would be overalls with plenty of pockets.

 

[Anwar]

Best premise: A ship with Federation and Maquis crew lost on the other site of the galaxy. Can it be better? No starbases, no secure territory, all unknown territory. The possibilities for storytelling are endless.

The best characters: Not the usual perfect Starfleet cardboard cut-outs that we have seen in many other series but a mixed crew of personalities. A Commander who dropped out of Starfleet to become a Maquis commanted, a son of an Admiral who screwed up but was given a new chance and took it, a troubled half-human, half-Klingon tech wiz who also were given a new chance and took it, a space-tramp with a troubled and tragic background, a woman with unusual and intersting mental abilities, a strong-willed female captain facing the most difficult mission ever in Star Trek, a holographic doctor plus two more casual Star trek characters: a Vulcan Security Chief and a young Ensign on his first mission.

What a crew. Here we have excellent opportunities for great interaction between those interesting characters.

Can you wish for anything better?

Eh, the premise is just "Lost in Space" all over again. And the characters are whatever the writers make them out to be.

Frankly, I never understood how the premise and character descriptions mean "A well-done Voyager would have been Trek's best". Any good, unrestrained writers could have made any of the existing Trek shows "the best". Premise alone doesn't cut it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Premise is all they got.

They have to return to first principles.

They can't alienate their existing fanbase with change or make it difficult for new fans to join up.

So it's back to the premise since this is not a "story" it's a "business" or "property" that is being used to get bums on seats.

The only thing that changed was that Seven joined up and the every story was about seven. O, and they got a new shuttle and every story was about the Delta flyer.

Which was a "restore point" to a "new" reimagined premise which overwrote the original, just like it overwrote TNG, which is all Voyager really ever was.

 

[Tachyon]

Premise is all they got.

Wrong.

Voyager has it all.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

What kidding? You're right. It's the same answer as to why T'Pol wore a catsuit.

I don't dispute this, but I felt I should say something. I'm a heterosexual teenage male, and I roll my eyes whenever I hear people saying that we watch shows for women in catsuits. It strikes me as rather offensive, both to us and the women. There are far better reasons for watching Seven and T'Pol- they're fascinating characters portrayed by skilled actors. The whole young-men-are-sex-crazed idea really should be retired...

The whole idea won't be retired for the simple reason that it's true. I was a sex crazed teenager twenty-five years ago, and now, at the end of my 30's, I'm still sex crazed. If you are a teenager, I'd imagine (and remember I speak from experience here) that it's even harder for you to keep your hormones under control. It mellows over time, but NEVER goes away completely. Trust me.

Don't take offense, it's a simple truth of biology.

Like it or not, you are the target audience both Seven of Nine and T'Pol were created for.

Oh, I don't dispute that last point at all, but my experience of sexuality is that it does not rule my life or my viewing preferences. If I want to find Seven or T'Pol attractive, I will, but my reasons for tuning in are based on their characters and the skills of the actors. I don't need these characters placed in catsuits. Sorry to repeat myself, but moves like that always make me roll my eyes.

Also, I've never had any problems keeping sexuality under control. I still maintain that the idea of young men being sex-crazed is a rather odd one.

 

[Manisphere]

She would say the second-skin design is efficient.
But so would be overalls with plenty of pockets.

I'm a guy but those heels don't look so efficient.