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Pictures on covers

^I don't think it's an expense that doesn't matter, but I also know that the cover artwork isn't what makes most people buy the books. Some recent cover artwork has been kind of uninspired, but as a fan of the various trek-lit series, it really doesn't matter at all in terms of whether or not I buy the book; but nice cover artwork that catches the eye is still appreciated. Before I was as deep into trek-lit as I am now there were a few books that I noticed and then bought because of their artwork. Books like Articles of the Federation, A Burning House, and House of Cards (the first NF novella) are perfect examples.
 
I'm with you guys on the cover art thing. I love good cover art, but it's not really gonna have any impact on what I buy.

I dunno. I resisted buying Ex Machina for a while because it had such a lousy cover. One of the best books, though...
 
Do you as an author have any influence on how the cover should look?

Depends on the editor and the project. In my experience, generally the editor decides on the cover design, and the author gets to see it when there's a preliminary version and offer comments. For instance, on Over a Torrent Sea I was able to offer some suggestions on how to make the image of Aili Lavena more accurate. The earliest I've been consulted on the cover was on Orion's Hounds, when Marco asked me which of two characters he was considering for the cover would play a bigger role in the story.

More often, at least in my experience, the cover influences the writer. The cover to The Buried Age gave me some ideas on how to improve the atmosphere and scenic detail of the scene it depicted (which, coincidentally, I'd written just two days before I saw the cover). And I ended up taking Spider-Man: Drowned in Thunder in a darker direction than I'd initially planned so that it would be a better fit to the really great cover painting (which is my favorite of all my covers).
 
I dunno. I resisted buying Ex Machina for a while because it had such a lousy cover. One of the best books, though...

I quite liked that cover.

I liked it too. The crew was in the TMP uniforms on the cover, and this is what drew to it in the first place. I was looking for stories that occur in between the movies, so when I saw the book, I picked it up immediately. I also agree with seigezunt; it was a great book. It's one of the best TOS books i've ever read :)
 
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I dunno. I resisted buying Ex Machina for a while because it had such a lousy cover. One of the best books, though...

I quite liked that cover.

I liked it too. The crew was in the TMP uniforms on the cover, and this is what drew to it in the first place. I was looking for stories that occur in between the movies, so when I saw the book, I picked it up immediately. I also with seigezunt; it was a great book. It's one of the best TOS books i've ever read :)

Meh on the cover. It seems they found some random head shots (is the one of Spock even from TMP?), and composed them pretty poorly on a grey field. Coulda been done in 10 minutes.

To each his own.
 
I wonder if it has an impact on sales. Also, anyone into trek lit and buying the books on line isn't going to care about the art work either.

IIRC, there has been sufficient research on book cover design to encourage publishers t keep doing it. Although the adage says, "You can't judge a book by its cover", people certainly do.

Supposedly, if the cover art tempts a browser to actually pick up the book for a closer look, it has a much better chance of being sold.
 
The reason to have a nice cover is that it can get people to make impulse buys.
 
I wonder if it has an impact on sales. Also, anyone into trek lit and buying the books on line isn't going to care about the art work either.

IIRC, there has been sufficient research on book cover design to encourage publishers t keep doing it. Although the adage says, "You can't judge a book by its cover", people certainly do.

Supposedly, if the cover art tempts a browser to actually pick up the book for a closer look, it has a much better chance of being sold.

Absolutely. If someone is browsing in a book store and a particularly nice cover catches their eye, they might be inclined to pick it up and read the back to see what the book is about. Although they may not decide to buy it, the fact that they stopped to even look at it tells you that good imagery and design can make a difference. Which is why I am amazed at some of the awful cover art that makes it onto books sometimes. I understand art is subjective, but sometimes I wonder how an editor could approve such awful, or sometimes lazy, covers.
 
I like the post but would like to frame it in a different way.... Does the cover art really matter? How important is it?
A cover isn't usually make-or-break for me as a reader, but I was disappointed with the cover for the new movie novelization. I wanted something with a little more pop. (I also wanted a mass market with mass market pricing, not a trade paperback.)

Not so much with Trek, but in my life I have purchased a couple of books based solely on cover (East by Edith Pattou -- it has a girl with a polar bear, and I wanted to pair it up with the cover of Philip Pullman's The Golden Compass).

And I've even purchased at least two books based largely on the title: Staying Fat for Sarah Brynes by Chris Crutcher, and The Lust Lizard of Melancholy Cove by Christopher Moore. The titles delighted me, so I picked the books up, and because the content summary seemed fine, I went ahead and bought them. In other words, it was the title more than the plot summary that mattered to me.

(Both books were well worth reading, by the way -- especially the Chris Crutcher. I've since read all of his books.)
 
Which is why I am amazed at some of the awful cover art that makes it onto books sometimes. I understand art is subjective, but sometimes I wonder how an editor could approve such awful, or sometimes lazy, covers.

I've wondered about that, too. In particular, the cover to Losing the Peace is very poorly executed. First, the bodies which have been attached to Picard's and Worf's shoulders are standing at angles incompatible with those shoulders. This is especially noticable in Picard's case; Worf's mismatch is harder to notice at first, but gives a clear sense of unease. (Examine the figures closely; Picard's left shoulder doesn't reach the edge of the body's shoulder, and his right shoulder is offset from the body's at a significant angle.) The bodies are also missing insignia, both communicators and sleeve bands.

Second, and less importantly (given that the figure rendering above makes the cover appear unprofessional), the size at which Picard and Worf have been rendered hinders the at-a-glance appeal of the novel. Rendered larger, perhaps even as large busts, like the faces on the Avatar covers, they'd have been much more effective at communicating the presence of Picard and Worf in the book at a distance.

Third, the general design concentrates the bulk of visual material in the very center of the cover. Aside from the nicely executed nacelle-and-moon design element, no design elements facilitate eye movement across the cover. Instead, attention is drawn to only a very small area in the center, and a great deal of unused negative space remains around the edges. (This is when viewed at a distance.)

A very rough suggestion of how the cover might have been improved:

Losing_the_Peace_cover.jpg


More information is now visible at a glance, and the eye is likely to linger over the image longer from a distance than it was before. In the process, the design elements of the cover: the moon, the planet, the huddled masses, Picard, Worf, and the broken nacelle, have been maintained, if imperfectly at this speed.

The original cover image:

Losing_the_Peace_cover-1.jpg
 
The revision also gets rid of Picard's crotch-crushing jeans.

"I'm too sexy for my hair, too sexy for my hair, so sexy you'll despair/
And I'm too sexy for my insignia, too sexy for my insignia, from Rigel to Andoria."

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
I like the post but would like to frame it in a different way.... Does the cover art really matter? How important is it?
A cover isn't usually make-or-break for me as a reader, but I was disappointed with the cover for the new movie novelization. I wanted something with a little more pop. (I also wanted a mass market with mass market pricing, not a trade paperback.)

Not so much with Trek, but in my life I have purchased a couple of books based solely on cover (East by Edith Pattou -- it has a girl with a polar bear, and I wanted to pair it up with the cover of Philip Pullman's The Golden Compass).

And I've even purchased at least two books based largely on the title: Staying Fat for Sarah Brynes by Chris Crutcher, and The Lust Lizard of Melancholy Cove by Christopher Moore. The titles delighted me, so I picked the books up, and because the content summary seemed fine, I went ahead and bought them. In other words, it was the title more than the plot summary that mattered to me.

(Both books were well worth reading, by the way -- especially the Chris Crutcher. I've since read all of his books.)


I understand what you are saying. I just wonder if it truely matters with the trek books. I am not sure of the exact numbers but I have heard a trek book might sell around 50,000 copies. Fans like me are going to buy the books regardless if they have a picture of Spot and Porthos, Riker holding hands with the Borg Queen, or just the paper bags we all used to cover out text books with. I'm going to buy them regardless of the cover art. Is the Trek market so specific for Pocket that the art on the covers is an expense that is really not necessary?

Of course, I ask the question not knowing how much it costs....

And I usually like the covers.:)
 
Which is why I am amazed at some of the awful cover art that makes it onto books sometimes. I understand art is subjective, but sometimes I wonder how an editor could approve such awful, or sometimes lazy, covers.

I've wondered about that, too. In particular, the cover to Losing the Peace is very poorly executed. First, the bodies which have been attached to Picard's and Worf's shoulders are standing at angles incompatible with those shoulders. This is especially noticable in Picard's case; Worf's mismatch is harder to notice at first, but gives a clear sense of unease. (Examine the figures closely; Picard's left shoulder doesn't reach the edge of the body's shoulder, and his right shoulder is offset from the body's at a significant angle.) The bodies are also missing insignia, both communicators and sleeve bands.

Second, and less importantly (given that the figure rendering above makes the cover appear unprofessional), the size at which Picard and Worf have been rendered hinders the at-a-glance appeal of the novel. Rendered larger, perhaps even as large busts, like the faces on the Avatar covers, they'd have been much more effective at communicating the presence of Picard and Worf in the book at a distance.

Third, the general design concentrates the bulk of visual material in the very center of the cover. Aside from the nicely executed nacelle-and-moon design element, no design elements facilitate eye movement across the cover. Instead, attention is drawn to only a very small area in the center, and a great deal of unused negative space remains around the edges. (This is when viewed at a distance.)

A very rough suggestion of how the cover might have been improved:

Losing_the_Peace_cover.jpg


More information is now visible at a glance, and the eye is likely to linger over the image longer from a distance than it was before. In the process, the design elements of the cover: the moon, the planet, the huddled masses, Picard, Worf, and the broken nacelle, have been maintained, if imperfectly at this speed.

The original cover image:

Losing_the_Peace_cover-1.jpg
Much better. Although the finished version does have the combadges, and Picard's tight pants aren't quite as obvious.
 
^ Stock photos, when photography is used instead of painting.

I was never crazy about the stock photo rule. On the covers the characters don't really ever age.

I'm often unimpressed by tie-in covers in general. But, I've never read a good book and thought, "damn, this cover sucks." I think the only times I care about covers are when I'm reading on the subway or bus or purchasing the book in store. Sometimes buying tie-in stuff at a B&N feels like going to the adult section of the video store in a long coat.:p

I tend to like the covers like Full Circle, Vanguard, and Singular Destiny. No characters on the front.
 
I was never crazy about the stock photo rule. On the covers the characters don't really ever age.

Depends how much effort goes into the postwork. The cover of Serpents Amongst the Ruins, for instance, used a stock photo of Harriman but it was enhanced to make him look older. Also, some of these actors have likeness approvals and might not like anything that makes them look aged.

Painting is generally better to make characters age, but then you run into the problem that one artist's rendition might not look like the next, as was the case during the NJO (one cover had an older Luke looking like a grayed, slightly lined version of himself from ANH, another had him looking more like modern-day Mark Hamil, and the difference is quite sizeable.)

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
Also, some of these actors have likeness approvals and might not like anything that makes them look aged.

Stewart seems to be one of them. The German publisher wants a new cover for the Death in Winter translation since they dislike the original one (not that their version is any better IMO), and they are waiting for his O.K.
 
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