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Read it and weep, Khans takeover of Reliant bridge..

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Starlog #61. "Star Trek: On the Set and Behind the Scenes"; pg. 19; quote from "Lee Cole"; "When Khan takes over the Reliant brdige, he blows part of it up. We had to make two plugs to cover up the Enterprise elevator and one console. Those plugs would be blown up during Khan's takeover while stunt people stood next to them. Bob Dawson, our pyrotechnics expert, told us how to make these plug...

Next time, don't doubt my validity. You just make yourself look like a complete and utter asshole to the rest of the people who blog on this site.

You know who you are.

Now I can leave this forum in peace:)
 
Ok, the title's a bit inflammatory and so's the entire post and you sir have come across as an "arsehole" in the process, as for people blogging on here, um yeah ok, how old are you? I'm guessing in the under 16 age range.
 
This doesn't make much sense, as the bridge is intact while Khan is aboard. Here's a nice HD screencap that shows the bridge is in good shape before Khan attacks the Enterprise.

What I think happened here is that the person being interviewed confused Khan with Kirk. Kirk is the one who took over the Reliant bridge with the prefix code, and then went on to blow it up. Here's a screencap from that moment.

Neil
 
Indysolo said:
This doesn't make much sense, as the bridge is intact while Khan is aboard. Here's a nice HD screencap that shows the bridge is in good shape before Khan attacks the Enterprise.

What I think happened here is that the person being interviewed confused Khan with Kirk. Kirk is the one who took over the Reliant bridge with the prefix code, and then went on to blow it up. Here's a screencap from that moment.

Neil
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Neil, I think your interpretation and supporting evidence makes the most sense.
 
Khan does not blow up or damage any part of the Reliant when he takes over.

The "plugs" Cole refers to are blown up later in the film, in combat sequences with the Enterprise. Cole misspoke, which anyone can verify at any time simply by watching the movie. :techman:

srombomb is mistaken.
 
Moral high ground is overrated.

Someone punches you, you punch back harder.
 
srombomb said:
Starlog #61. "Star Trek: On the Set and Behind the Scenes"; pg. 19; quote from "Lee Cole"; "When Khan takes over the Reliant brdige, he blows part of it up. We had to make two plugs to cover up the Enterprise elevator and one console. Those plugs would be blown up during Khan's takeover while stunt people stood next to them.
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Lee Cole was a graphics designer on the movies, and is the contributor of the book "ST:TMP Peel-Off Graphics Book".

The Enterprise bridge did triple duty on ST II: as the bridge simulator, the Enterprise and Reliant.

You're putting too much credence in the casual use of the term "during Khan's takeover". In audio interviews, people often don't realise that they should have gone back and corrected/clairified things that end up looking wrong when the statements are published as a piece of text.

We saw the Enterprise bridge redressed as Reliant both before takeover and after takeover. When Cole mentions "during Khan's takeover" she more likely means "during the time where Reliant is under Khan's command", not that footage was ever created of Khan coming aboard, blowing up bridge consoles and assaulting/marooning Beach, Kyle et al. In fact, it seems that Khan's initial takeover of Reliant was quite clean. The "plugs" Cole describes are, in fact, blown up during the film's climactic scenes, much later in the movie.

"When Khan takes over the Reliant bridge, he blows part of it up" is more correctly, "After Khan has taken over the Reliant, parts of the bridge get blown up - before the whole ship gets blown up". ;)
 
Dennis said:
elton said:
Moral high ground is overrated.

Someone punches you, you punch back harder.
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It helps if you're right, and in this case the poster is wrong.
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The poster was right, the SL writer was either wrong or didn't factcheck ... OR there were more plugs blown up than the ones in the 'explosive reply' scene and in the finale (which IS possible -- not likely, but possible -- since you don't see much of the front third of the bridge on RELIANT outside of the viewscreen.)

NONE of this puts the onus on the OP, who was totally justified in going off on the bozo who attacked him in the other thread, the one that got closed as soon as the issue of 'posters who make nasty vile posts but don't get warned by the mods for some reason' was rightfully brought up yet again.
 
Jesus titty-fucking Christ, there's a slow learning curve at work here. :rolleyes:

srombomb, gloating and calling people "asshole" doesn't help your case here.

trevanian, the previous thread was closed not because I'm trying to avoid the issue, but because Trek Movies is not the appropriate place to discuss it. I encouraged darkwing to bring it up in QSF. Whether he's too busy celebrating our nation's birthday to start a thread, or just doesn't care enough, I don't know. But it doesn't give you license to steer this thread off-course in his absence. Not that you needed help; srombomb's attitude pretty much did that from the first post.

Everyone, let's try and get this thread back on track, or it'll be closed, too.
 
Regardless of what Cole said in the interview, it does not appear to be factually correct just by looking at the film. In the shots of Khan and company on the Reliant bridge up to the moment of "Kirk's Explosive Reply" you can see pretty much the entire back half of the set including the "plugs", and they are all intact. I think Cole simply confused what the action was for on the bridge set when giving the interview, or she was misquoted. Happens all the time. This doesn't mean Starlog didn't print it, incorrect as it appears to have been.

Starboard plug

Port plug
 
I always wondered HOW he took over the ship. Wouldn't the crew be suspicious if Captain Terrell said "everyone come down to the planet and be prepared to beam up a few hundred people"?
 
Two obvious treknological alternatives present themselves: using transporters (with the skipper's special authorization) or using tranq gas and then transporters (again with the skipper's codes) would result in a bloodless takeover that the crew could not even begin to resist...

Were the set walls not wild enough for complete removal and replacement of the turbolift door bits? I mean, they did replace the center aft element with a new turbolift door segment - why not yank out both Enteprise lifts and insert relatively flat plywood "plugs" with a few monitors there? That'd sound easier to me than casting those complex-shaped plug boxes... Did the boxes help with the pyrotechnics later on?

Timo Saloniemi
 
So was the scene shot?

I had the weekend off.

So did Khan take-over the reliant by force---including expolosions or was it BS?

I thought that the fact that Khan had mind control of the captain & first officer was the reason he could get control of the ship. I also thought that since the Reliant bridge is in perfect shape until the first battle with Khan that it was untrue. I also thought that since no-one had mentioned this scene for 27 years and that the Making of TWOK book didn't mention it---it couldn't be true. So did the interview from 27 years ago trump all the evidence to the contrary?

And if it was shot----why the hell haven't I heard about till now!

And did I not make it clear?

I was calling the scene total BS---NOT the poster's brother or him. If he had claimed he SAW the scene in question I very well may have called him a liar---but he didn't & I didn't.

And I maintain the "I'm not a liar' line is no proof something is true---epecially in an anonymous, faceless forum.
 
And great point Timo...........

I always assumed that Terrell beamed up Khan and maybe a few others and then went to Aux control and gassed the rest of the ship.


But, I'll bet Bennett & Meyer wish they had the budget for a long battle takeover sequence. Although I doubt they'd have used the money for that scene

By the way to whoever said.........

Khan didn't have 'hundreds of people'. He origianally had 70 or so and the eels killed 20. So he had about 50 followers.
 
...But a great many of those followers in the movie were kids of about fifteen, suggesting there had been a new generation of supermen. And there's no telling if this generation was larger or smaller than the preceding one.

Indeed, Khan's chief henchman Joachim could be argued to be Khan's own son, even though this is not made explicit in the film (or the scripts).

One wonders how many other Starfleet personnel Khan subjugated to serve him, and how many he simply marooned on the planet. He would have needed some expert help for running the ship, but could he ever have trusted Starfleeters, even after the "something is bugging them" treatment? Chekov and Terrell were never allowed to operate any equipment on their own, as far as we can tell...

Timo Saloniemi
 
The novel states that Khan used eels to make key Reliant crew members help run the ship, but of ci=ourse it's not canaon.
 
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