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Star Trek a Religion??

Cmdr Sho

Lieutenant Commander
Red Shirt
hey all,

i read in this article (http://io9.com/5272441/is-star-trek-a-religion) that star trek could a religion. what do you think?


i think that there are some good points in this article but a lot of it i disagree with. i dont think star trek is a religion at all. if this is considered to be a religion, then the red cross or other similar organization is just as much as one.
 
Star Trek is not a religion. Star Trek is a series of television shows, films, and other entertainment with a large following. No more, no less. Although that ep of Futurama was rather amusing.
 
I read it, and...a lot of people like the messages and themes of Star Trek, like acceptance of differences, lack of a lot if issues we have today and the like, but I don't think that's much of a basis to even consider it for being a religion on.
 
That's an interesting article and I do think that a very small minority of Trekkies fall into the adherents label. However, the rest of us just think it's a cool show with something to be said about the human condition. Like all good stories.

Live long and prosper.

:evil:
 
I read it, and...a lot of people like the messages and themes of Star Trek, like acceptance of differences, lack of a lot if issues we have today and the like, but I don't think that's much of a basis to even consider it for being a religion on.
Thats a good point, but I also wouldn't personally consider a book written by a science fiction writer to be the basis of a religion. Millions of other people however follow Scientology.

I don't think that trek is a religion, but I can see how it can be shown in that light with how some trekkies act.
 
true, some trekkies do act that way, but look at the other people too. i am a trekkie and i look for a better future were we all get along and most of the major world problems solved... i also help those in need to... normal people can act that way too.... but those were good points too.... one could look at the "book" as many diffierent forms of a relgion as well...
 
Sociologially, a "religion" isn't just a certain worldview or ethos; it has certain practices or rituals that members or adherents follow. The "lig" in religion means "tie," and a community doing certain rituals at the same time every week or season binds the community together.

I don't think ST is a religion, but it does fill the space of "faith" or "personal belief system" for some. I have been wanting a ST club to start in my area, frankly because I really like the GR-ST worldview and ethics. Hey - maybe some Star Trek clubs could function as religions. If they meet regularly, have certain things they do each time -- hey - I'm gonna stop writing. I may have a PhD dissertation here!

Be well.
 
The "lig" in religion means "tie," and a community doing certain rituals at the same time every week or season binds the community together.
Does standing... no wait, Camping! in line for a week before the premier count? Oh, wait... thats a Star Wars thing...
 
I could buy that. When I was two, my mother bought one of those "everything I need to know in life I learned from Star Trek" posters. Twelve years later, after a heated argument with my idiot/swindler pastor at the local baptist church, I caught myself thinking "This man's entire point of view is COMPLETELY illogical!" that's when I thought back to that poster and realized that, in point of fact, I had learned more life lessons and gained more personal direction from Star Trek than I ever did from church, the bible, or "that still small voice" the local bible thumpers kept telling me was Jesus.

From Star Trek I learned:
- Control your emotions, always make logical judgements
- Have faith that the universe will unfold as it should... just go with it.
- Only a fool fights in a burning house
- There's no such thing as a "no win situation"
- The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...
- Except, when it comes to FAMILY, the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many
- Compassion for life isn't limited to their intelligence
- Those painful things in life are the things that make you who you are
- Doubt any God that inflicts pain for its own pleasure
- Real warriors mate for life
- Villains who twirl their mustaches are easy to spot; the ones who clothe themselves in good intentions are well camouflaged
- People can be very frightened of change (especially old people)

And that's just the few on my mind right now. The older I get the more and more I keep resorting to old Trek wisdom for life lessons--Spock especially--since that's pretty much what I was raised on since I was old enough to walk. That may not make Star Trek a religion, but it's the closest thing I'll ever have to one.
 
Trek has a canon of texts which were written at different times by different people, which don't always correlate with each other. It has many different sub sects and denominations. It has a Messiah (Gene) and an Antichrist (B&B). It has armies of followers giving it wodges of money every year.

Sounds like a religion to me!
 
Are you sure Roddenberry is the Messiah? I mean, he died, but he did NOT rise from the dead.

Spock, on the other hand, died for the sins of the world (well, specifically, for the sins of 20th century genetic engineering and to a lesser extent the sins of the Enterprise), only to be resurrected on the third movie to ONCE AGAIN rescue Earth from its transgressions against humpback whales. And then he's got this prophetic mission to unify Romulus and Vulcan, thus rectifying at last the opposing forces of cold logic and unfettered passion (as only Spock would know how to do, right?).

So technically, SPOCK is the messiah. He died for our illogic, and then he rose again to show us the way.:vulcan:
 
Trek has a canon of texts which were written at different times by different people, which don't always correlate with each other. It has many different sub sects and denominations. It has a Messiah (Gene) and an Antichrist (B&B). It has armies of followers giving it wodges of money every year.

Sounds like a religion to me!

Haven't you been paying attention to the fandom lately?

It's:

Jesus - Gene Roddenberry
Judas - B&B
Antichrist - JJ Abrams
 
Is baseball (or other sport of your choice) a religion?


(1) Does the religion have a founding prophet and an origin myth?

There is the origin myth of Abner Doubleday (which really is a myth, since Doubleday didn’t create the game). Other sports have their own founding prophets and origin stories: James Naismith in basketball, Walter Camp in American football, the Marquess of Queensberry in boxing, etc.


(2) Does the religion have scripture and an accepted canon?

The rule books are scripture and canon, as are the records of major professional and collegiate organizations.


(3) Does the religion have a unifying belief system? Does it offer salvation?


Kids who grow up in the projects and have no future can, if they’re good enough, get out of the projects and get a good college education. If they’re among the very best, they can become millionaires and provide for their families for generations. I think that qualifies as salvation. Certainly more so than anything Star Trek offers.

This notion of IDIC as a “unifying belief system” is particularly retarded, or at least very ignorant. It’s a philosophy that some fans find appealing, not something that all fans subscribe to. There are also philosophical lessons many sports fans infer from the games. Many people consider sports a useful tool to teach valuable life lessons.


(4) Are adherents of the religion sometimes stigmatized by nonbelievers?

Yes; with some sports more than others. Boxers are generally seen as thugs. Scandals among athletes in other major sports tarnish their colleagues; many see professional athletes (in some sports more than others) as arrogant, selfish, and ungrateful. An often-heard rhetorical question is a resentful, “How come this jerk gets paid $3 million a year to put a ball through a hoop, which changes nothing in the grand scheme of things, but a teacher who can have a profound impact on the lives of her students gets only 1/100th that amount?”


Are sports religions, or is this article just nonsense? I’m leaning toward the latter.
 
Is baseball (or other sport of your choice) a religion?

baseball is not a religion (sisko might think otherwise)... just as farming is not.... but there is one point that i must add to this. star trek does portray a religion... perhaps that this is were the article is getting its bases from. and i would totally agree that by the definition of this article about religion that anything could be classified as a religion, much like anyone can be OCD in a way...

Are sports religions, or is this article just nonsense? I’m leaning toward the latter.


the article is somewhat flawed in almost every way. i believe that the articles purpose was a negative one to make US look bad or separate us from the "normality" of the rest of the world, which i think is BS. when i asked a very good star trek friend of mine, he said that he liked some of the other articles that this guy did, but was severely disappointed at how the author wrote this article. it wasnt his style... and all of it is nonsense and should all be dissregarded.....
 
Trek has a canon of texts which were written at different times by different people, which don't always correlate with each other. It has many different sub sects and denominations. It has a Messiah (Gene) and an Antichrist (B&B). It has armies of followers giving it wodges of money every year.

Sounds like a religion to me!

I would cast GR as "prophet/founder" a la Moses, the Buddha, Muhammed.

Who are B & B?? Berman and . . . ? Wouldn't JJ be a better antiChrist (destroyer who comes disguised as savior)?
 
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