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Why aren't all trek books treated like myriad universe books?

Jayson

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This is something I have been curious about. We all know the books are not offically part of canon or the tv continuity. If this is the case then I always kind of wondered why there was/is a need to try and stay consitent with the tv shows? If the books can't impact the shows then why not have Kirk die in a book ro hook up Picard and Crusher in a romance? Sort of like those old "Quantum Leap" books. Does anyone recall them? In the books Sam was literally leaping into people's bodies, were as on the show he simply looked like the people who he has displaced.

Jason
 
I guess you haven't been reading the TNG Relaunch then, because Picard and Crusher are married and she is pregnant with their child.
 
This is something I have been curious about. We all know the books are not offically part of canon or the tv continuity. If this is the case then I always kind of wondered why there was/is a need to try and stay consitent with the tv shows?

The purpose of tie-in novels is to give fans of a show more of the experience they get from the show itself. The books exist to support the show and follow its lead. Also, the licensors generally prefer to avoid confusing the readers by having the books conflict with the onscreen continuity. Even if they aren't actually binding on screen canon, it's preferred to keep them consistent with it as much as possible, to supplement it rather than clashing with it.

If the books can't impact the shows then why not have Kirk die in a book ro hook up Picard and Crusher in a romance?

Actually, now that the shows are off the air, the books have much more freedom to make changes. Picard and Crusher are married and expecting a son. Riker and Troi have given birth to a daughter. Kathryn Janeway is dead in the book continuity, and Trip Tucker's death was revealed to be a hoax. Kirk died onscreen, but was resurrected in the novels co-written by William Shatner. Books based on an ongoing series are expected to follow its lead for the reasons I mentioned above, but books that are carrying the torch on their own after the end of the series they're based on have a much freer rein.


Sort of like those old "Quantum Leap" books. Does anyone recall them? In the books Sam was literally leaping into people's bodies, were as on the show he simply looked like the people who he has displaced.

The science and logistics of Quantum Leap were so nebulously and inconsistently defined on the show that the authors of the novels had to take liberties. (For one thing, if it was Sam's body and others just saw an illusion of the leapee, then how come their clothes always fit him?) It's true, however, that Ashley McConnell's interpretation of the QL universe was somewhat different from that depicted on the show. But that's because the books were from a different publisher and under the supervision of different licensors. Not all tie-in books follow the exact same policies and practices because they're not all from the same people. Different companies, different creators, approach their properties in different ways. And isn't that the way it should be? Where would be the joy of discovery in reading if all storytellers followed the same rigidly defined set of rules?

Star Trek continuity is so well-known, so detailed, and so religiously studied by so many fans that the guidelines on following it have to be fairly strict. You can't play too fast and loose or audiences will recognize that you've got it "wrong." Of course the various tie-ins aren't always compatible with each other, but they all have to have a common starting point, the shared touchstone of the screen canon. Authors adapting a show like QL, with a more vaguely defined canon, can have more luxury to add their own interpretations -- and indeed, if you look at early Trek novels from the '70s and early '80s, you'll see that their authors often brought their own idiosyncratic interpretations to the universe, because it wasn't as clearly defined and detailed back then as it is today. So it does depend on the franchise, and on the approach of the publisher.

Also, audiences have gotten more demanding over time. With the rise of home video and the Internet, access to the original source material has improved and fans of TV and film series have gotten less patient with divergences. Film and TV novelizations in the '50s and '60s often diverged wildly from the source material, heavily rewriting it to work better in prose or to suit the author's preferences and style. (See James Blish's earliest TOS episode adaptations, for instance. Or Isaac Asimov's novelization of Fantastic Voyage, wherein he heavily rewrote the story to fix the bad science and make the hero more intelligent.) Today, novelizations and tie-ins are expected to be much more faithful to the source material because it's so easy to compare. The Quantum Leap novels came in the '80s and '90s, in between those two extremes, so audience expectations were probably looser at the time than they'd be today. (Ashley McConnell went on to write some Stargate SG-1 novels, and I believe she took similar liberties, but her books were not as well-received by fans as the current SG-1 novel line from Fandemonium Books, which is more faithful to the show.)
 
Additionally, in recent years Pocket Books (and the authors) have made greater efforts to be internally consistent with each other, which is why you can pick up, say, "Greater Than The Sum" by the aforementioned Christopher, then pick up the Destiny trilogy and see events in GTTS continued forward and referenced in continuity. The books are not only consistent with what has previously occured in the TV shows and movies, but also consistent with each other, which IMHO only enhances our viewing pleasure.

Even the recent Mirror Universe anthologies appear to have been designed to be internally consistent with each other; whether accidentally or intentionally has been discussed, I do not know.

By contrast, the Myriad Universe tales don't need to be consistent with other books, as they exist in their own little custom-built alternate universes. Since they're not subject to the same needs for internal consistency with other Trek books, they can "kill 'em all" or do whatever they please...kind of like the old "What If?" comics by Marvel.
 
I'm curious though about something else. What if you had two writers who want to use the same character even though want to do something that would contradict what is going on in the bookverse. For example what if someone wanted to do a story about O'Brien and Bashir in the future meeting for the first time in years for some adventure. This would contradict some of there meetings/conversations in the books. Would the writer be able to contradict the books or be forced to adjust his/her story to fit in with the books?

Jason
 
Would the writer be able to contradict the books or be forced to adjust his/her story to fit in with the books?

Each book only has to be true to the aired canon at the time it was written.

In the "Genesis Wave" books, Nurse Alyssa Ogawa has an only child of one sex, and in the "Titan" novels, the child is of the opposite sex.

The Female Romulan Commander (of TOS) has had at least five totally different fates in various ST novels.
 
Would the writer be able to contradict the books or be forced to adjust his/her story to fit in with the books?

Each book only has to be true to the aired canon at the time it was written.

In the "Genesis Wave" books, Nurse Alyssa Ogawa has an only child of one sex, and in the "Titan" novels, the child is of the opposite sex.

The Female Romulan Commander (of TOS) has had at least five totally different fates in various ST novels.

Dude, as a purist on this sort of stuff I just sit reading your email in my living room and find myself smiling. I have not read the Titan books yet, but wasn't aware the Ogawa child had a different sex from the Genesis Wave books. I laugh because its impossible, JUST FREAKING IMPOSSIBLE, for idiots like me to rationalize something like that away.

1. Ogawa decided to order a sex change for her kid after the GW books?:confused:

2. Her kid asked for a sex change?:(

3. Her child is a mutant, the power is that she/it/he rapidly changes sexuality over different parts of her life?:lol:

4. Its an experiment by Section 31?:devil:

Have a nice day....
 
I laugh because its impossible, JUST FREAKING IMPOSSIBLE, for idiots like me to rationalize something like that away.

1. Ogawa decided to order a sex change for her kid after the GW books?:confused:

2. Her kid asked for a sex change?:(

3. Her child is a mutant, the power is that she/it/he rapidly changes sexuality over different parts of her life?:lol:

4. Its an experiment by Section 31?:devil:

Have a nice day....

Transporter malfunction...? No wonder Bones was always leery of that thing!
 
Would the writer be able to contradict the books or be forced to adjust his/her story to fit in with the books?

Each book only has to be true to the aired canon at the time it was written.

In the "Genesis Wave" books, Nurse Alyssa Ogawa has an only child of one sex, and in the "Titan" novels, the child is of the opposite sex.

The Female Romulan Commander (of TOS) has had at least five totally different fates in various ST novels.

Dude, as a purist on this sort of stuff I just sit reading your email in my living room and find myself smiling. I have not read the Titan books yet, but wasn't aware the Ogawa child had a different sex from the Genesis Wave books. I laugh because its impossible, JUST FREAKING IMPOSSIBLE, for idiots like me to rationalize something like that away.

1. Ogawa decided to order a sex change for her kid after the GW books?:confused:

2. Her kid asked for a sex change?:(

3. Her child is a mutant, the power is that she/it/he rapidly changes sexuality over different parts of her life?:lol:

4. Its an experiment by Section 31?:devil:

Have a nice day....

#3 actually doesn't sound too far fetched. Maybe the unborn baby wasn't completely immune to Barclay's Protmorphosis Syndrome in "Genesis", and the Genesis Wave in the novels had some kind of effect on him/her by the time of Titan.

Or something.
 
I laugh because its impossible, JUST FREAKING IMPOSSIBLE, for idiots like me to rationalize something like that away.

5. All ST novels are works of fiction, based on real adventures, as documented in various official starship logs. The authors turning these logs into prose use some literary license as they do so, sometimes to make the adventures more exciting, or to satisfy the privacy concerns of certain participants, so "errors" do creep in.

In fact, that's precisely what Alan Dean Foster suggests he's doing with his TAS adaptations ("Star Trek Logs" 1-10), and it's also suggested by Admiral Kirk himself in his introduction to the novelization of ST:TMP.

Rationalized. Not freaking impossible. ;)
 
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I'm curious though about something else. What if you had two writers who want to use the same character even though want to do something that would contradict what is going on in the bookverse. For example what if someone wanted to do a story about O'Brien and Bashir in the future meeting for the first time in years for some adventure. This would contradict some of there meetings/conversations in the books. Would the writer be able to contradict the books or be forced to adjust his/her story to fit in with the books?

Jason
It would depend on the editor(s), but yes, if said editor believed Miles' and Julian's Excellent Adventure was a good enough story, despite contradicting Bashir and O'Brien in The Road to B'hala, there's nothing else to keep them from contracting the new book.
 
It would depend on the editor(s), but yes, if said editor believed Miles' and Julian's Excellent Adventure was a good enough story, despite contradicting Bashir and O'Brien in The Road to B'hala, there's nothing else to keep them from contracting the new book.
Yes, but that didn't help when I pitched Miles and Julian Escape From Rura Penthe. It would have had this bitchin' scene, too, where they get completely baked with Min Zife. I'm getting the munchies just thinking about it. :)
 
It would depend on the editor(s), but yes, if said editor believed Miles' and Julian's Excellent Adventure was a good enough story, despite contradicting Bashir and O'Brien in The Road to B'hala, there's nothing else to keep them from contracting the new book.
Yes, but that didn't help when I pitched Miles and Julian Escape From Rura Penthe. It would have had this bitchin' scene, too, where they get completely baked with Min Zife. I'm getting the munchies just thinking about it. :)

"Miles and Julian and Min go to White Castle"...:drool:
 
It would depend on the editor(s), but yes, if said editor believed Miles and Julian's Excellent Adventure was a good enough story, despite contradicting Bashir and O'Brien in The Road to B'hala, there's nothing else to keep them from contracting the new book.
Yes, but that didn't help when I pitched Miles and Julian Escape From Rura Penthe. It would have had this bitchin' scene, too, where they get completely baked with Min Zife. I'm getting the munchies just thinking about it. :)
Perhaps you simply didn't have a juicy enough role for Neil Patrick Harris in it...
 
Ashley McConnell went on to write some Stargate SG-1 novels, and I believe she took similar liberties, but her books were not as well-received by fans as the current SG-1 novel line from Fandemonium Books, which is more faithful to the show.
The one McConnell SG-1 novel I read was pretty show-faithful as I recall (though fundamentally impossible to place in the timeline); its main problem was being boring and terrible.
 
Ashley McConnell went on to write some Stargate SG-1 novels, and I believe she took similar liberties, but her books were not as well-received by fans as the current SG-1 novel line from Fandemonium Books, which is more faithful to the show.
The one McConnell SG-1 novel I read was pretty show-faithful as I recall (though fundamentally impossible to place in the timeline);
Aren't these two statements somewhat at odds with one another, given the relatively straightforward SG-1 timeline continuity?

its main problem was being boring and terrible.
Well, that problem is even more difficult to solve...
 
The one McConnell SG-1 novel I read was pretty show-faithful as I recall (though fundamentally impossible to place in the timeline);
Aren't these two statements somewhat at odds with one another, given the relatively straightforward SG-1 timeline continuity?

Not necessarily. The Fandemonium duology A Matter of Honor/The Cost of Honor is quite faithful to the show's continuity and characterizations, except that its story unfolds over several months and therefore simply can't fit in the series continuity (though maybe it happened in a parallel timeline?). I don't know if the situation's similar in this case, though.
 
If I remember right, everything points at a second-season setting except for one third-season detail, which is just a misplaced rank or somesuch. Nothing canon-rewriting like the QL novels apparently had, just some off details.

EDIT: Yeah, I just found my notes. It doesn't reference any episodes after mid-season 2 and Apophis is still the Big Bad, but Carter is a major.
 
If we had more slots in the schedule, I would welcome some alternate relaunches. Stories that are entirely faithful to the screen material but go in a different direction from The Good That Men Do, Avatar, Death in Winter, and Homecoming could be fascinating. I do mostly love what is being done currently, but there are plenty of story possibilities that could be explored that don't fit with current book continuity.
 
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