I'm kinda glad Singer didn't come back to X-Men

[Anwar]

^ If it embraces the fantastic, then by definition, it can't be the 'normal world.'

Which is exactly why the audiences hates the fantastic and demands that all Superhero movies have the "super" drained right out of them. They loath the idea of a superhero that exists in the modern world.

It's easy, have a Superhero movie that doesn't shy away from the wonder of Superheroes and have said movie be set in the modern day, it's a flop before it hits the screen.

Have a movie where the hero had everything super about them stripped away, and make it some minimalist "drama" about him fighting a gang of car thieves and the movie's a hit.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Star Trek is set in the future, Star Wars is set in another galaxy a long time ago, Harry Potter pretty much ditches the normal world and focuses on the world of magic so it's not such an issue, Pirates of the Caribbean is set in the past, Shrek isn't set in the modern day, all of those obey the rules of the anti-fantastic I outlined before.

So yes, name me a movie that openly embraces the fantastic and the wondrous in the MODERN DAY and the NORMAL WORLD and we can talk.

Aha, so you really are saying that audiences hate the fantastic and that all the evidence pointing to the contrary is nothing but a list of weird exceptions. Well, at this point your argument is no longer touching reality at any two contiguous points, is it?

 

[Anwar]

Aha, so you really are saying that audiences hate the fantastic and that all the evidence pointing to the contrary is nothing but a list of weird exceptions.

I pointed out exactly why each one of those ones were tolerated (none of them are set in the modern world, aside from Potter and Potter takes place in the secret magical world parts).

Like I said before, as soon as a Superhero goes to space to fight Aliens or the like, the movie is a flop. The second the superhero turns out to be a drug addict who can't beat a gang of car thieves, the movie is a hit.

 

[Broccoli]

With Pirates, wouldn't people be less likely to accept the fantastic because it is set in the past?

Harry Potter pretty much ditches the normal world and focuses on the world of magic so it's not such an issue

Stop. Back up. Rewind.

You claim that even though Harry Potter starts off in the real world, since it soon leaves it, it gets a pass and people accept it.

Lets look at that Green Lantern movie again. You claim that since it will be in the real world, they won't embrace the fantastic. What if...just what if...it only starts in the real world, but then the hero is plucked and taken away from Earth to do battle where the fantastic happens. Due to you absolutist claims (and the Harry Potter example), people would be willing to accept that.

 

[Anwar]

Nah, they'd just complain that they can't relate to aliens if it's a modern day film and that events are too separated from Earth to care about anything. Potter at least still featured humans.

Also there's the "Sci-Fi Ghetto" thing to take into account as the audience also can't take sci-fi seriously and sees it as a geeky thing. Potter gets a pass because for some reason fantasy is not as negatively con notated as sci-fi is (thus more reason to be against GL) and movies like Star Wars and the recent Trek don't focus on the sci-fi except as a backdrop.

 

[Broccoli]

You honestly believe the average movie goer knows or cares about the difference between Fantasy and Sci-Fi?

Besides, aren't superheroes fantasy?

 

[Anwar]

Yes, they are. That's exactly why audiences only like Superheroes who have had all the "super" drained out of them and why the Directors feel ashamed that their projects began life as comic books and feel the need to "fix" them.

And yeah, the audience can tell the difference because Sci-Fi has technology and stuff they talk about (thus making it geeky) whereas with fantasy they hardly explain anything and just do stuff by waving their hands around (making it more acceptable).

 

[Broccoli]

Do you realize how contradictory you have been in this thread? I can't take this seriously anymore. Have fun with your opinions as facts.

 

[Anwar]

You've still to make an argument for the audience accepting the fantastic instead of enjoying films where the hero has had all the super drained out of them. Have fun with your Superman movie where he doesn't have super-powers.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Wow...this thread has warped into a weird philosophical discussion.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

we're cool like Trek.

Man, who'da thought those words would ever be said.

Well believe my friend because we are now officially cool, It makes you feel all warm inside.

 

[exodus]

You've still to make an argument for the audience accepting the fantastic instead of enjoying films where the hero has had all the super drained out of them.

Many have, most have given up the debate.

 

[Anwar]

They tried, and I pointed out each time why those examples are really excetpiosn and why it wouldn't work for superheroes.

The fact they're making Fantastic Four and Superman reboots that are "darker" only supports my argument.

 

[JacksonArcher]

Umm, you're basing that on unconfirmed reports.

 

[Admiral_Young]

You know why hollywood has chosen to portray superhero movies as realistic as possible? It's because if they were to do a complete adaptation of the source material their budgets would probably go through the roof and half the audience wouldn't understand what the fuck was going on. As I mentioned in one of the earlier pages in this thread, my friend has a hard time trying to comprehend Superman's powers and he's a fucking engineer as well as a amateur scientist. To make things realistic doesn't mean you have to dumb things down but superhero movies always seem to do this.

 

[Trent Roman]

Heck, *I* have a hard time comprehending Superman's powers, and I've been a sci-fi geek as far back as I remember. In this case, it's mostly because Superman has a wildly inconsistent and logically incoherent power set.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[Admiral_Young]

That is true...the power that my friend really has a problem with is his heat vision. Mostly though my friend likes pushing my buttons by making me explain things to him all the time, he doesn't really care either way, he just pushes my buttons because he knows my passion for superheroes.

 

[Anwar]

That's more a problem with the writing than the character, especially since the Reeves movies gave him new powers like "Wall-rebuilding vision". They've tried a few times to explain his basic power set (flight, invulnerability, super-strength, heat vision) but they never stick.

 

[DonIago]

I'm pretty sure 'wall-rebuilding vision' has been generally disavowed at this point.

Watching Superman IV with the commentary track is worth it at least once. I don't recall who's commenting, but they're quite willing to discuss the movie's failings.

 

[Rowan Sjet]

So I was doing a bit of browsing, and found this: Screenwriter reveals ideas for Singer's planned third X-Men film