What's the Big Lesson in STXI?
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And remembering lines isn't yours.
It's logic Jim, but not as we know it.
A world in which the people actually live out and uphold 'the big lessons' is.
Huh? I'm talking about "The Search For Spock."
Well, he didn't kill the last officer even though he gave him a choice. "Help us or die!" was Kirk's question. The klingon asked for death, but Kirk didn't want to go through with it.
Oh yes, the one he saved out of how many he had killed?
Give me an alternative scenario that would have benefited Kirk without killing anyone and I'll hear you out.
Okay. Big Lesson?
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"Great Potential is not a Destiny. It is an opportunity that should not be wasted."
Sounds pretentious yet timely enough. Do you think it works? I'm new to this whole don't nega-knee jerk response thingie.
Though, "Everything you love will die." keeps echoing in my skull.
Hey, I'm TRYING. really I am.
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"Great Potential is not a Destiny. It is an opportunity that should not be wasted."
Sounds pretentious yet timely enough. Do you think it works? I'm new to this whole don't nega-knee jerk response thingie.
Though, "Everything you love will die." keeps echoing in my skull.
Hey, I'm TRYING. really I am.
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I think Devon was talking about Trek III in this one. He doesn't like Klingons by that time and definitely wanted to kill some. His "Se la vie" comment to Kruge a little later in the film reinforces that.
And remembering lines isn't yours.
That's why I won't quit my day job...
Remembering a line still didn't prove your point. Forcing Nero onto Enterprise wouldn't "save a civilization". Your words are hyperbole.
Well, I'm sorry to Godwin this thread, but it's logical in the same way that the Allies wanted to take Hitler alive to stand trial for his war crimes. It's also logical because now who Nero was and what he stood for can only be explained by the survivors. It's possible the Romulans won't want to believe it.
I doubt that Romulans would be eager to be associated with a genocidal maniac who obliterated Vulcan and tried to do the same with Earth. Even if some of the more racist ones among them might be secretly feeling grateful to him, the leaders of the Empire can't really be that stupid to want to bw in any wasy associated with Nero and his crew?!
Well, I'm sorry to Godwin this thread, but it's logical in the same way that the Allies wanted to take Hitler alive to stand trial for his war crimes. It's also logical because now who Nero was and what he stood for can only be explained by the survivors. It's possible the Romulans won't want to believe it.
You have got to be kidding me.But you guys are making a wrong assumption because it's not just a summer Popcorn flick. Especially since people have pointed out themes in the movie.
Let go of your hate, hate leads to anger and anger leads to the dark side of the for... Oh wait wrong franchise...
You made laugh out loud on that one. It isn't hate, I actually like the film, but it has many flaws....even more than Trek V which I'd bet has gotten boatloads of criticism from the very folks who gush over this current film.
STV feels like a very bad amateur movie. It would be perhaps somewhat acceptable as a fan-created movie (but it still would not be a good one). The story and dialogue that feels like bad fanfiction, horrible 'effects', bad jokes, characters turned into caricatures, a lot of awful acting, seems to be directed by someone who has no clue how to do it... Tell me one, just one good thing about STV??!
And you would know this how?
Sure. Beam them on to the ship, put a containment field around the Transporter. Or better yet, lock their transporters onto the Klingon crew members and beam them to the brig, etc. However, we have to remember that this isn't exactly "real life" we are dealing with in that entertainment value DOES come into play as always, as opposed to most real life and less entertaining decisions. Star Trek is absolutely no exception to this rule. It would have been boring if they had done what I had suggested, unless they had some plot about the Klingons escaping, etc. But besides the point.
However, it's interesting that you are talking about Kirk and his "selflessness," yet you should recall that one of things with Kirk in "The Undiscovered Country" was that he suggest an entire civilization "die." I am speaking of course about the exchange between Kirk and Spock after the Intelligence Meeting at the beginning of the film in which he says "Let them die," words that would come to haunt him at his trial. Now you can argue the whole thing about him "changing his attitude" at the end, but still.
Another thing to consider is that Kirk possibly didn't want to risk Nero and company being sucked back into time again and posing a danger to someone else, so the alternative was to destroy them (an alternative Kirk has resorted to several times.)
Same way you "know" everything, my friend.
Plus, you beam him and his entourage onto Enterprise, and do what? Hand them over to Romulus?
Several among them might have knowledge of Borg technology enhancements and assorted other know-how from the future... that benefts the Federation how?
Nero made his bed; Kirk let him sleep in it.
Star Trek's lessons aren't very deep or complex really. I think I got deeper life lessons during Sunday school when I was 8 years old. Trek's rep for teaching deep philosophy is way overrated. That stuff in an episode is more of a bonus than a main course. It makes the show a bit more interesting than Kirk getting in fist fights every 15 minutes or some lame comedy bit at the end.