Is Star Trek A Rebirth Or Just A Reunion?

[number6]

I don't see why it couldn't be both. This film was a hit with fans young and old as well as people who had never seen Star Trek before.
For longtime fans it is a long awaited reunion.

It has generated renewed interest in the franchise. Star Trek toys and merchandise are now being sold in stores again instead of specialty sci-fi stores and online.
I would call that a rebirth.

So it is very easily both.

 

[VOODOOXI]

It was intended to be both.

 

[Hober Mallow]

This is a rebirth.

Following four stillborn films.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

I think the key to the OP's question lies in WHEN his poll was taken (the first week). The audience skewed older because it was the "old" fanbase coming out for the movie. The "new" fanbase is what has given the film it's legs...

 

[pookha]

So is it a real rebirth of Trek or is it just a reunion of old trekkers? What is your take on it?

I think its both, I think it is a reunion for old trekkers, but also a rebirth. LOts of young people too. Everyone went and saw this movie!

i totally agree with this.
for a lot of us old trek fans it was a reunion.
but i saw an awful lot of people obviously younger then 30 at the movie too.

 

[Starbreaker]

This is a rebirth.

Following four stillborn films.

First Contact made a lot of money.

 

[Mr Awe]

Rebirth or reunion? Too early to tell. It depends on how the next movies do. If the 2nd movie flops, it's done and it was just a reunion. If the 2nd movie does as well as the first, then it's more likely a rebirth. At least, a rebirth enough that it is a movie series that people will look forward to for awhile. That doesn't necessarily equate to a rebirth in terms of spinoff series, etc., like what we saw at the height of TNG.

In short, too early to tell. And, even if it's a rebirth of sorts, we don't know what that will translate too.

Mr Awe

 

[Mr Awe]

I think we have to define "rebirth." Is three movies a "rebirth" or is something more required?

This is what I was getting at as well. 3 movies would be effectively 6 hours of screen time. Essentially a reunion if that's all we get. Yeah, I know, there's the chatter about the increased DVD sales of the original, etc. We have to see if that continues or just drops off in a bit.

A rebirth implies something as more ongoing, continious. Not 2 hours every couple of years.

A rebirth is what happened after TOS was cancelled. The show was dead. Movies started. Then a new series. Then spinoff series. Book lines for all of them etc. Right now we're just at the very early stages. We'll have to see. We just don't know right now. There is a heavy burden on the next couple of movies to keep the spark that STXI started burning in self-sustaining way.

We'll see if the movies ignite anything more, particularly a TV series.

Mr Awe

 

[M'Sharak]

I think the key to the OP's question lies in WHEN his poll was taken (the first week). The audience skewed older because it was the "old" fanbase coming out for the movie. The "new" fanbase is what has given the film it's legs...

When, but also where, I'd think. I attended a showing at a local theater on the morning of May 9th and the audience were pretty mixed, age-wise, from teenagers and twenty-somethings to white-haired 60- or 70-year-olds. No one age range seemed to me to be overrepresented.

 

[Therin of Andor]

- Spock /Uhura? What changes in the timeline fracture caused them to hook up.

Catch the flirting going on in "The Man Trap" and "Charlie X".

- Chasm in Iowa? No way. I lived in Iowa as a kid. Was this an aftereffect of Xindi Superweapon?

It's a quarry. A 23rd century quarry. Built long after you left Iowa.

 

[An Officer]

Mredom, that is a proper badass avatar!

 

[pookha]

I think we have to define "rebirth." Is three movies a "rebirth" or is something more required?

This is what I was getting at as well. 3 movies would be effectively 6 hours of screen time. Essentially a reunion if that's all we get. Yeah, I know, there's the chatter about the increased DVD sales of the original, etc. We have to see if that continues or just drops off in a bit.

A rebirth implies something as more ongoing, continious. Not 2 hours every couple of years.

A rebirth is what happened after TOS was cancelled. The show was dead. Movies started. Then a new series. Then spinoff series. Book lines for all of them etc. Right now we're just at the very early stages. We'll have to see. We just don't know right now. There is a heavy burden on the next couple of movies to keep the spark that STXI started burning in self-sustaining way.

We'll see if the movies ignite anything more, particularly a TV series.

Mr Awe

the problem is the question of a series is out of the hands of the people at paramount studios.

 

[Geckothan]

It's an exhumation. They dug up the remains, put some new clothes on it and made it dance around like a string puppet.

 

[mredom]

Mredom, that is a proper badass avatar!

Why thank you!

 

[Vicki]

But the week after the movie opened, I read that the core audience was people aged 30-49, according to Paramount´s marketing research.

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So is it a real rebirth of Trek or is it just a reunion of old trekkers? What is your take on it?

I think it really is a true rebirth. I expected the audience around here to skew older and it looks like it does. But I've also seen a good chunk of twentysomethings and thirtysomethings.

Every showing I've been to has had everything from 60s to kids under 10. The old Trekkers are coming in droves but they're bringing the kids and grandkids with them

 

[CaptainStoner]

But, by leaving the movie as it was, all the canon is gone. McCoy likely will never save (or not) Edith. Spock isn't gonna ponfar all over Vulcan either. This movie actually paves the way for a ST:NuTOS without canon issues. They can boldly go places etc. Why the exceptionally young Capt JTK could discover the Borg since Scotty now knows Transwarp works.

I think the idea here is that we have many parallel universes. So there's nothing altered in the TOS series and films, TNG, etc. All those things happened just as we see them in that universe - while in nuTrek, things are happening just as they should, or are even destined, to.

- Time Travel. Old standby. Almost ho hummed it and went for the second large popcorn.

You can put away some popcorn!

- Spock /Uhura? What changes in the timeline fracture caused them to hook up.

Same explanation. There is no fracture.

But, there is no track as fast as what was seen at the end of the flick. Part of JTK's greatness was how his experiences as a junior officer shaped him to become SF youngest captain ever.

I have to agree. Kirk's story arc, although often amusing, is the weakest part of this story. I can even buy all the crazy stuff with Prime Spock(and really liked having Nimoy in this film), the black hole-traversing spacecraft, the psychotic Romulan, ok, it's all good. But I couldn't help but cheesing out at nuKirk's ascension.
I suppose what it's asking us to believe is that in nuStarfleet, a Captain has the power to promote someone from Cadet all the way to Commander, which is what he essentially did when he made Kirk Spock's XO. I had assumed it was a "field" promotion when I first saw the film, but that would mean that Kirk would still have to go back to ensign, or probably lt. jg, soon to be lt. It was just ridiculous. The only thing missing was a wookie roar.

 

[Mr Awe]

I think we have to define "rebirth." Is three movies a "rebirth" or is something more required?

This is what I was getting at as well. 3 movies would be effectively 6 hours of screen time. Essentially a reunion if that's all we get. Yeah, I know, there's the chatter about the increased DVD sales of the original, etc. We have to see if that continues or just drops off in a bit.

A rebirth implies something as more ongoing, continious. Not 2 hours every couple of years.

A rebirth is what happened after TOS was cancelled. The show was dead. Movies started. Then a new series. Then spinoff series. Book lines for all of them etc. Right now we're just at the very early stages. We'll have to see. We just don't know right now. There is a heavy burden on the next couple of movies to keep the spark that STXI started burning in self-sustaining way.

We'll see if the movies ignite anything more, particularly a TV series.

Mr Awe

the problem is the question of a series is out of the hands of the people at paramount studios.

True, but if the popular momentum and excitment are there, and they can smell the money to be made, the folks who can do it, will do it.

Mr Awe

 

[Mr Awe]

But the week after the movie opened, I read that the core audience was people aged 30-49, according to Paramount´s marketing research.

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So is it a real rebirth of Trek or is it just a reunion of old trekkers? What is your take on it?

I think it really is a true rebirth. I expected the audience around here to skew older and it looks like it does. But I've also seen a good chunk of twentysomethings and thirtysomethings.

Every showing I've been to has had everything from 60s to kids under 10. The old Trekkers are coming in droves but they're bringing the kids and grandkids with them

That could well be true, but it's not a rebirth until the spark builds into a flame that can sustain itself. Right now, it's just one movie that did well. The next couple of movies are crucial.

Mr Awe