How would you have ended "Voyager"?

[Tachyon]

Or... pimped version of Pathfinder; that they get the first "phone call" from Alpha Quadrant in the finale. The scene in the end of the episode on the bridge was super touching, better than anything seen on Endgame. But such an episode should have been less about Reg, I think.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

I was referring to the Unicomplex, not the transwarp hub. The hub was first seen in Endgame. The Unicomplex had appeared in Dark Frontier and Unimatrix Zero prior to its destruction. THAT'S what I meant when I said the Borg HQ was implied to be destroyed.

Sweet zombie jesus.

I've spent years thinking that the Queen was just coincidentally holidaying on the hub.

But Admiral Kathy in a feint to get her crew home, Jaunted, saunted, 30 thousandish lightyears away away to pull the queens jockeys up over her ears?

30,000 ly in her shuttle = 10 minutes. She can fit, like maybe 12 people in there? but that's still only a little more than 10 round trips of 20 minutes, that wouldn't see any of them having to fight borg.

I knew she was a *&^%.

I think I know how you got confused - there's a scene where the admiral takes her shuttle into one of the transwarp things at the hub to arrive at the Unicomplex.

 

[kimc]

Seven seasons earlier.

Troll alert! Reminder to other posters: Don't feed the trolls. As for you knock it off.

 

[AdmiralSteven]

I would have liked to see the final episode or episode arc take place in the Alpha Quadrant.

Not just, "Oh look, we're home now!" and then the credits roll.

They could have made it back quickly and unexpectedly, where it's all over so quickly even the crew are stunned. They could then explore all of the unfinished plot points like how 7 or 9 would have reacted on earth, how the former maquis would be treated, and would the Doctor have retained his independence?

Then after about an episode or so you could have it where one of the Delta quadrant species that they pissed off over the years also comes to earth, and starts attacking or something - to the extent that only Voyager has the knowledge on how to stop them and gets to end the series saving earth.

I would have liked to see something like this as well. Voyager somehow stumbles upon or falls through (the rabbit hole, couldn't resist) some kind of wormhole and winds up in the Alpha Quadrant, and then the rest of the espisode would be like GotNoRice put it, dealing with being back.

 

[Cky]

I haven't really read many other posts before deciding this, but... I sort of liked Voyager when I was younger, and it got worse as I grew up, but I would have changed several things in the last season and not just the final episode.

First of all, the year of hell. Now, I know this is the most overrated episode of Voyager and a lot of people have already expressed their wish for a whole series, but this is a basic rundown of what I would have done:

The series five finale 'Equinox' would still run as played, although in the final act, the USS Equinox would disable Voyager and manage to escape. The series six opener would start almost the same way 'Year of Hell' started, but the main difference is that the new astrometrics lab would be to try and find a "short-cut" to manage to intercept the Equinox and stop it. Then the episode would expand in to 20 of the 26 episodes, with the crew of Voyager eventually abandoning the aside from the Captain and a few others. None of the main cast would die but one or two would be injured. In the 20th episode of the series, the Equinox would make a return, after Voyager managed to take a shortcut and beat them to the punch. Though with Voyager on their last legs, the crew of the Equinox decide to sacrifice their ship as they themselves are on the verge of destruction.

The last six episodes would be centred on Voyager restablishing their crew (and obviously going on some plucky adventures!). At last episode in the series would continue on the same, although the reasoning behind Seven being in contact with Unimatrix Zero would be explained in the first episode of series seven, where they will fly through the nebula with all the Borg cubes as seen in the final episode, they decide to fly out, much to Kims protest.

The final episodes would become much darker, with Chakotay, Seven and finally Harry dying throughout the series, with Voyager limping home. The final episode would see Barclay (can't think of a better person to use here), going back in time, or through a wormhole telling Voyager to go back, and giving them the technology to be able to fight the Borg. Only when they manage to get out, they'll need to fight their way out and have a small fleet battle with the Borg, with Voyager getting home at the end.

 

[Bertie]

• I would have brought back the "jumps" that were common in seasons 4-5 (but less so in seasons 6-7) that took off a few thousand light-years at a time. I liked these because it added a sense of progression to the show.
• Perhaps related to the above, I would have done follow-ups on the Borg Civil War, the Vaadwaur, and the Voth (all three of these have the ability to travel really fast).
• I would have explicitly put Voyager in the Beta Quadrant after one or two of the "jumps". With no other Trek on the air, there really isn't a need for the Delta Quadrant show identity any more.
• Since Voyager is by this time carrying the Trek identity and is in the Beta quadrant, a little more contact with the familiar Alpha Quadrant peoples is appropriate and would add to the sense of progression that I want this season to accomplish. For example, meeting up with a Starfleet deep space exploration mission. Meeting breakaway Romulans or Klingons who were building a new civilization away from their normal empire. That kind of thing.
• Instead of ending the show with a single episode, I would have gone serial for four episodes or so. I'm thinking a joint Romulan-Borg plotline. (If the Federation can be 8000 light-years across, at least from outpost to outpost, then the Romulans can be 8000 light-years into the Beta Quadrant).

 

[Praetor]

I've been trying to decide what I would do, and honestly I haven't a clue.

Part of me thinks that the entire Borg plotline should have been wrapped up in the second part of "Unimatrix Zero." (And by "wrapped up" I mean either the Borg would be schismed into separate relatively non-threatening sub-collectives, or the Zero "defect" would be augmented to liberate the entire collective.) I don't think it's disbelievable if it's essentially a Borg civil war that does them in. Voyager's just helping.

I'd like to have seen the Vaadwaur or even 8472 return as final villains, but this would be primarily as a device to get the crew home. I'd have also like to have seen the female Caretaker potentially make a return, possibly with Kes having to help save them.

I would have definitely eliminated the regular contact with Earth, but the crew would have actually gotten home in the fourth and third to last episodes. I'm not exactly sure how I'd do these two, but it would be one final epic. I had an interesting idea that in these episodes, whatever happens, halfway through Voyager would have finally taken irreperable damage to her warp drive, and would be forced to land on the nearest habitable planet. At first, the entire senior staff is determined to fix the ship, but they eventually realize that this is impossible and try to build a life here. This is where the contact with the Alpha Quadrant would come in again - the crew would be able to send one final message telling Starfleet where they were. The ship would eventually be dismantled to build a settlement.

Flash forward about five years. A Galaxy-class starship arrives in orbit to bring the crew home, who only go reluctantly. These final two episdoes would be called "Homecoming" and being about dealing with all the consequences and adjustments they have to make upon returning home. A recurring theme would be that, even though they are finally home, most of them really feel quite as much at home as they did on the ship, and eventually the crew would be given a ship to go back to their colony.

Ah, one season to correct six of mistakes. Yeah, that'd be fun.

Well, if I'm placed in charge at the beginning of season seven, that means there'd be the wrap up to Unimatrix Zero. Given that I would never have ended the first part with that particular cliffhanger, I'd just have that one produced as originally aired, but instead have Janeway, Torres, and Tuvok requiring some additional therapy after being drones - especially Tuvok, given that he'd succumbed to the Collective.

I'd spend another handful of episodes there in the first half that refocused the series on the crew as a whole and as a family, have an appearance from the Equinox crew, how they're still trying to gain the confidence of the crew. Somewhere, there'd be a subplot about Naomi attempting to help the Borg brat pack recover some element of their childhood. Actually, I'd probably include Seven in that - she had no childhood, so she's attempting to recover it. There'd also be an episode where Harry earns his second pip, because MY GOD, six years as an ensign is unforgiveable. I would have the marriage of Tom and B'Elanna occur, as well as the pregnancy. This would be a good time to explore the idea of the crew pairing off in greater detail, as well as the idea of having children.

Then, for the mid-season finale, we'd return to the Unimatrix Zero rebellion, where a group of their ships have come together and are planning a raid on the unicomplex - intent on crippling the Borg entirely. They lure Voyager into helping them because they can also get them access to a path home. The crew goes along, and the raid goes south. However, the Zeros use a tractor beam to send the crew through the subspace portal or whatever and send them home instead of letting them die - they feel that while they'd rather die than return to the collective, Voyager should get some reward for helping them. So we finish the first half of the season off with Voyager's return to the Alpha Quadrant. Granted, bringing them back undermines the idea of the crew pairing off and having kids, but it's something that should have been explored far earlier, so I'd like to at least acknowledge the fact that up until this point, they'd been expecting to be in transit for another twenty to thirty years.

The next quarter would be spent exploring the homecoming, letting us see their return home, including follow-up with the Maquis and some of Janeway's more questionable actions - I expect the fact that she even contemplated allying with the Borg would raise more than a few eyebrows among the brass, and that's just the first off the top of my head. Eventually, we'd have things pulled into a resolution, but then I'd have the Borg reenter the scene, making a greater push for assimilating the Federation - before it'd always been single cubes. Now it's a fleet, targetting different areas of the Federation.

And... really, that's all I've got for the moment. I've got an idea for the final episodes that involves the remaining Unimatrix Zero drones, a virus that will wipe out the Borg, and a self-sacrifice by Seven to pull it off, but it hasn't quite gelled in my mind.

I have a few issues here and there with the way you've paced this, but I really like it.

I would have just used the episode Timeless as the series finale. Maybe make it into a two parter having it be about all the main characters instead of just Kim to do to make it more epic. It would have been a much better series finale than Endgame.

That would have been my greatest preference, but we can't undo season five.

Or... pimped version of Pathfinder; that they get the first "phone call" from Alpha Quadrant in the finale. The scene in the end of the episode on the bridge was super touching, better than anything seen on Endgame. But such an episode should have been less about Reg, I think.

That could have worked nicely - hopeful, but ambiguous.

• I would have brought back the "jumps" that were common in seasons 4-5 (but less so in seasons 6-7) that took off a few thousand light-years at a time. I liked these because it added a sense of progression to the show.
• Perhaps related to the above, I would have done follow-ups on the Borg Civil War, the Vaadwaur, and the Voth (all three of these have the ability to travel really fast).
• I would have explicitly put Voyager in the Beta Quadrant after one or two of the "jumps". With no other Trek on the air, there really isn't a need for the Delta Quadrant show identity any more.
• Since Voyager is by this time carrying the Trek identity and is in the Beta quadrant, a little more contact with the familiar Alpha Quadrant peoples is appropriate and would add to the sense of progression that I want this season to accomplish. For example, meeting up with a Starfleet deep space exploration mission. Meeting breakaway Romulans or Klingons who were building a new civilization away from their normal empire. That kind of thing.
• Instead of ending the show with a single episode, I would have gone serial for four episodes or so. I'm thinking a joint Romulan-Borg plotline. (If the Federation can be 8000 light-years across, at least from outpost to outpost, then the Romulans can be 8000 light-years into the Beta Quadrant).

Breakaway Romulans and Klingons sound awesome! You could borrow a page from the "Star Trek: Armada" plot and have the Romulans trying to make a deal with the Borg using an Omega Molecule. Naturally, the Romulans would betray them.

You and DGCatAniSiri should get together and rewrite the season.

 

[exodus]

I would have ended Voyager with one huge orgy on Riza!!!!

 

[Praetor]

^

 

[Frazzled]

I like your ideas best so far Praetor, the settlement thing is a bit different and would allow for a lot of exploring relationships between the crew, and then the people they left behind. There would be room for a lot of angst when they decided to go back to the colony, maybe a few would stay on earth instead?

You ever write fanfic? It would be great

It could maybe be merged with Bertie's ideas of a few more jumps and breakaway Romulans and Klingons if it was situated around 10 000 lightyears from Earth.

Of course if it had been done on screen it would have been a season long arc, four or five episodes wouldn't be enough

I've been trying to decide what I would do, and honestly I haven't a clue.

Part of me thinks that the entire Borg plotline should have been wrapped up in the second part of "Unimatrix Zero." (And by "wrapped up" I mean either the Borg would be schismed into separate relatively non-threatening sub-collectives, or the Zero "defect" would be augmented to liberate the entire collective.) I don't think it's disbelievable if it's essentially a Borg civil war that does them in. Voyager's just helping.

I'd like to have seen the Vaadwaur or even 8472 return as final villains, but this would be primarily as a device to get the crew home. I'd have also like to have seen the female Caretaker potentially make a return, possibly with Kes having to help save them.

I would have definitely eliminated the regular contact with Earth, but the crew would have actually gotten home in the fourth and third to last episodes. I'm not exactly sure how I'd do these two, but it would be one final epic. I had an interesting idea that in these episodes, whatever happens, halfway through Voyager would have finally taken irreperable damage to her warp drive, and would be forced to land on the nearest habitable planet. At first, the entire senior staff is determined to fix the ship, but they eventually realize that this is impossible and try to build a life here. This is where the contact with the Alpha Quadrant would come in again - the crew would be able to send one final message telling Starfleet where they were. The ship would eventually be dismantled to build a settlement.

Flash forward about five years. A Galaxy-class starship arrives in orbit to bring the crew home, who only go reluctantly. These final two episdoes would be called "Homecoming" and being about dealing with all the consequences and adjustments they have to make upon returning home. A recurring theme would be that, even though they are finally home, most of them really feel quite as much at home as they did on the ship, and eventually the crew would be given a ship to go back to their colony.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I would have sent her back.

Not being mean.

but hells bells, the federation wanted to meet new life and civilizations, open dialogues and begin trade with them... I mean maybe spend 5 months overhauling and upgrading Voyager, but there's no doubt in my mind that the federation needs to show their colours on that side of the galaxy before somethign nasty takes root.

Althoguh if it is a 140ish year mission of exploration... maybe a new crew of peoples who are a little longer lived that mere humans?

"we're lost, cna we bum some food and bludge some power?" doesn't sound half as grand as "We are on a mission of exploration and discovering to meet you and open formal dimplomatic avenues between our governments.."

 

[Zameaze]

I would have ended Voyager with one huge orgy on Riza!!!!

And close with a sated, nude crew with drinks with little umbrellas in them.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I wonder if they had a nude Funeral for Suder?

 

[Praetor]

I like your ideas best so far Praetor, the settlement thing is a bit different and would allow for a lot of exploring relationships between the crew, and then the people they left behind. There would be room for a lot of angst when they decided to go back to the colony, maybe a few would stay on earth instead?

You ever write fanfic? It would be great

It could maybe be merged with Bertie's ideas of a few more jumps and breakaway Romulans and Klingons if it was situated around 10 000 lightyears from Earth.

Of course if it had been done on screen it would have been a season long arc, four or five episodes wouldn't be enough

Say, thanks. I haven't written any fanfic really, but I might just try writing an alternate finale...

It just irked me that they tried to sell us on this idea that the crew was a family, yet it's like "okay, let's get home." Like they'd all be universally welcomed with open arms? And don't get me started on "have our cake and eat it too."

I wonder if they had a nude Funeral for Suder?

Winner of the thread.

 

[Seven of Five]

I wasn't a fan of the Unimatrix Zero storyline, nor the overuse of the Borg, but it seemed odd to have this sort-of underground network of Borg working together to survive, that is spread right across the galaxy as far as the Beta Quadrant, yet they didn't use this resource in any way to aid Voyager in getting home.

If I was reworking the season, there would be no time-jumps, no crazy-Janeway rewriting history for her favourite crewmembers, and no Chakotay-Seven relationship. Which might leave us one or two episodes short. :O

It might have been good just having two or three timeshifts during the season. of maybe five or ten years. Show the crew a little older each time, and show what has happened to them in that time. Eventually, maybe thirty years down the line, they're home, and have an episode there.

That sounds a bit crummy actually. I don't think it mattered how Voyager got home, as long as it just didn't involve the Borg, C-7 or time-travel. The one thing that should have been important in the final episode/episodes is what getting home meant to them. What the hell happened when they get there? There is your ending.

 

[Fish1941]

I think most VGR fans will agree that season seven is... shall we say, lackluster. And many fans will also agree that "Endgame" was... shall we say, uninspired.

This is one VOYAGER fan who would DISAGREE with you . . . fervently. I liked Season 7 a lot, even if it wasn't my favorite. And "Endgame" was the best TREK season finale I have ever seen, compare to the other . . . lackluster ones like DS9 and ENT. TNG's finale wasn't bad, but it turned out to be a two-part character study on Picard and after a while, it got boring.


Instead, I have to read another round of VOYAGER bashing. God, I get so damn sick of it, sometimes.

 

[kimc]

Instead, I have to read another round of VOYAGER bashing. God, I get so damn sick of it, sometimes.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion here even if it's a negative one. It's the trolling that's not allowed.

 

[Fish1941]

Instead, I have to read another round of VOYAGER bashing. God, I get so damn sick of it, sometimes.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion here even if it's a negative one. It's the trolling that's not allowed.

Thank you for the lecture. I understand that. But I still get sick of the bashing.

 

[Praetor]

My goal here isn't to bash VGR, Fish1941. Also, no one is forcing you to read this thread.

Also, regarding season seven, note that I said "most," not "all."

 

[Tachyon]

I am one of the most devoted Voyager fans around here and I still don't like season 7. There are only handful of good episodes, two brilliant (these being Shattered and Lineage).