NuEnterprise Speed,and other things I've noticed...

[Kpnuts]

No. The ship wasn't accelerating between warp 0 and warp 8 in a few seconds. That makes no sense. Otherwise why would Sulu say 'maximum warp' when they were nearing Vulcan. It took them that long to increase to maximum warp.

I have seen the film many times, and each time have noticed that the sequence goes like this:


- Warp factor 0.00 = standing still

Increases to FTL (warp 1) in a few seconds

- Stars stretch, speed indicator reaches Warp factor 0.8, then the camera cuts to outside...

- Ship reaches FTL (warp 1) and zooms off

- In the intervening minutes/hours, the ship increases speed to reach warp 8 (or whatever the max warp is). When it does reach it, Sulu utters the 'maximum warp captain' line, before Chekov announces the mission.

 

[Silversmok3]

No. The ship wasn't accelerating between warp 0 and warp 8 in a few seconds. That makes no sense. Otherwise why would Sulu say 'maximum warp' when they were nearing Vulcan. It took them that long to increase to maximum warp.

I have seen the film many times, and each time have noticed that the sequence goes like this:


- Warp factor 0.00 = standing still

Increases to FTL (warp 1) in a few seconds

- Stars stretch, speed indicator reaches Warp factor 0.8, then the camera cuts to outside...

- Ship reaches FTL (warp 1) and zooms off

- In the intervening minutes/hours, the ship increases speed to reach warp 8 (or whatever the max warp is). When it does reach it, Sulu utters the 'maximum warp captain' line, before Chekov announces the mission.

Because the scenes were cut ,there is no objective measure of time.That scene could have been seconds after their departure from spacedock.


And why would it take seconds to get to Warp One(assuming warp one=lightspeed) and then take minutes/hours to get to warp 8?Given that the speeds involved are superluminal it makes more sense that she'd get to top speed rather fast,almost instantly by our very slow ,sub-luminal human senses,unless you're on some kind of drug that allow you to measure time that fast.

Why would the stars strech at 8/10ths C,btw?Whether you're at 9/10th lightspeed or 10 feet a second,the stars won't warp until you're superluminal.Before C there's no reason why the ship should be speagettified or the light warped,given that the E isn't past C yet,according to your theory.

But if the ship is warping to warp 7+ there's good reason for the stars to twist and the ship to stretch.Of course to human eyes the ship is standing still,but that's superluminal lag.Its the reason the Picard Manouver works.

 

[Kpnuts]

No. The ship wasn't accelerating between warp 0 and warp 8 in a few seconds. That makes no sense. Otherwise why would Sulu say 'maximum warp' when they were nearing Vulcan. It took them that long to increase to maximum warp.

I have seen the film many times, and each time have noticed that the sequence goes like this:


- Warp factor 0.00 = standing still

Increases to FTL (warp 1) in a few seconds

- Stars stretch, speed indicator reaches Warp factor 0.8, then the camera cuts to outside...

- Ship reaches FTL (warp 1) and zooms off

- In the intervening minutes/hours, the ship increases speed to reach warp 8 (or whatever the max warp is). When it does reach it, Sulu utters the 'maximum warp captain' line, before Chekov announces the mission.

Because the scenes were cut ,there is no objective measure of time.That scene could have been seconds after their departure from spacedock.


And why would it take seconds to get to Warp One(assuming warp one=lightspeed) and then take minutes/hours to get to warp 8?Given that the speeds involved are superluminal it makes more sense that she'd get to top speed rather fast,almost instantly by our very slow ,sub-luminal human senses,unless you're on some kind of drug that allow you to measure time that fast.

Why would the stars strech at 8/10ths C,btw?Whether you're at 9/10th lightspeed or 10 feet a second,the stars won't warp until you're superluminal.Before C there's no reason why the ship should be speagettified or the light warped,given that the E isn't past C yet,according to your theory.

But if the ship is warping to warp 7+ there's good reason for the stars to twist and the ship to stretch.Of course to human eyes the ship is standing still,but that's superluminal lag.Its the reason the Picard Manouver works.

You're reading way too much into it. Don't be so analytical and real-world physics-driven. This is a fantasy/action science fiction film.

The ship enters warp when it reaches faster than light speeds, warp 1. The camera cuts to the exterior of the ship when the speed indicator reaches 0.8 (and is still increasing).

That is fact.

It doesn't just magically get to warp 8 straight away.

 

[Silversmok3]

No. The ship wasn't accelerating between warp 0 and warp 8 in a few seconds. That makes no sense. Otherwise why would Sulu say 'maximum warp' when they were nearing Vulcan. It took them that long to increase to maximum warp.

I have seen the film many times, and each time have noticed that the sequence goes like this:


- Warp factor 0.00 = standing still

Increases to FTL (warp 1) in a few seconds

- Stars stretch, speed indicator reaches Warp factor 0.8, then the camera cuts to outside...

- Ship reaches FTL (warp 1) and zooms off

- In the intervening minutes/hours, the ship increases speed to reach warp 8 (or whatever the max warp is). When it does reach it, Sulu utters the 'maximum warp captain' line, before Chekov announces the mission.

Because the scenes were cut ,there is no objective measure of time.That scene could have been seconds after their departure from spacedock.


And why would it take seconds to get to Warp One(assuming warp one=lightspeed) and then take minutes/hours to get to warp 8?Given that the speeds involved are superluminal it makes more sense that she'd get to top speed rather fast,almost instantly by our very slow ,sub-luminal human senses,unless you're on some kind of drug that allow you to measure time that fast.

Why would the stars strech at 8/10ths C,btw?Whether you're at 9/10th lightspeed or 10 feet a second,the stars won't warp until you're superluminal.Before C there's no reason why the ship should be speagettified or the light warped,given that the E isn't past C yet,according to your theory.

But if the ship is warping to warp 7+ there's good reason for the stars to twist and the ship to stretch.Of course to human eyes the ship is standing still,but that's superluminal lag.Its the reason the Picard Manouver works.

You're reading way too much into it. Don't be so analytical and real-world physics-driven. This is a fantasy/action science fiction film.

The ship enters warp when it reaches faster than light speeds, warp 1. The camera cuts to the exterior of the ship when the speed indicator reaches 0.8 (and is still increasing).

That is fact.

It doesn't just magically get to warp 8 straight away.

Suffiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic.

So far you haven't proposed a valid reason why it couldn't *magically* go to warp 8 straight away.

My analysis supports what I've seen better than your opinion that's posing as "fact".

I'd gladly concede you were right if you'd have evidence to support it,but I've yet to see any proof .

 

[flemm]

Ok... but do zeros look like sevens?

No, but one person in this thread thinks it was a 7, and another thinks it was a 1. I don't gather this was on the screen very long.

It sounds more plausible to me that it would indeed be a 1, so possibly it just looked like a 7 to the other poster? A passing thought, nothing more...

 

[Kpnuts]

I can't see anyone suggesting it was a 1.

I was the one who said it was a 0. And yes I agree it's far more plausible that the ship only reached warp when it zoomed off. A strangely obvious concept seemingly lost on Silvermok3.

 

[Silversmok3]

I can't see anyone suggesting it was a 1.

I was the one who said it was a 0. And yes I agree it's far more plausible that the ship only reached warp when it zoomed off. A strangely obvious concept seemingly lost on Silvermok3.

"When the debate is lost,slander is the tool of the loser"-Socrates

 

[Kpnuts]

The debate isn't lost, you just refuse to accept the truth. I have seen the film many times and each time I have noticed the 0 > 1 increase.

And even if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes many times, it is far more plausible than your theory.

 

[flemm]

After Sulu 'punches it' outta spacedock,you see at the top of the Enterprise's windshield the warp factor speed, which jumps in fast increments to warp 7. something before the shot cuts to the E bolting with spacedock in the background.

This is the post I was referring to... I thought that possibly it jumped in very fast increments to a 1 that looked like a 7

I see now, though, that you are saying that the meter is at 0.8 (not 1) when the cut to the outside view is made.

Possibly 0.7 is what was seen by Silversmok3.

 

[Kpnuts]

The meter starts at Warp Factor 0.00 (standing still), increases to 0.70 or 0.80 (during the stars stretching scene), the camera cuts to outside and ship zooms into warp (warp 1, faster than light)

 

[Silversmok3]

After Sulu 'punches it' outta spacedock,you see at the top of the Enterprise's windshield the warp factor speed, which jumps in fast increments to warp 7. something before the shot cuts to the E bolting with spacedock in the background.

This is the post I was referring to... I thought that possibly it jumped in very fast increments to a 1 that looked like a 7

I see now, though, that you are saying that the meter is at 0.8 (not 1) when the cut to the outside view is made.

Possibly 0.7 is what was seen by Silversmok3.

Here's the differences:

I'm standing by what I saw,which is that the E accelerated from sub C speed to warp 7+ before visibly leaving as depicted in the following scene with spacedock in the background.

2 others here believe the the only numbers moving were the decimal points before reaching warp.

I've offered evidence supporting my theory,and Kpnutz has offered nothing but his own word to support his side as a "fact",something which neither he nor I can claim,as neither of us have the DVD on hand or a handy screenshot to settle this one side or the other.

 

[Kpnuts]

I'm working on a screenshot....

 

[L1A1 Rocker]

I have made the IMAX trip thrice now, I seem to have missed Nurse Chapel...where is she?

You don't see Chapel,but you hear McCoy ask her for 20ccs of cortizone for Kirk just as Kirk bolts outta sickbay.


And I remember exactly what I saw,the warp factor definitely reached 7 decimal something before the shot cut.I remember because I never saw it in 4 previous showings.
It was right as the Enterprise 'stretched' toward space.

Pike did say maximum warp before Sulu flubbed the takeoff IIRC,so it makes sense that they'd accelerate to warp 8 if that's the state top speed.

Could this be the elusive Nurse Chapel?

 

[JuanBolio]

The ship enters warp when it reaches faster than light speeds, warp 1.

Actually it enters warp when the warp engines are cranking, whatever they're set to. You can be at warp 0.001 and still be "at warp", if your warp drive is what is doing he propulsion.

As to being at warp when leaving spacedock, the parking brake was on. They could have been cranking the engines at warp 9 and not been going anywhere.

 

[Silversmok3]

The ship enters warp when it reaches faster than light speeds, warp 1.

Actually it enters warp when the warp engines are cranking, whatever they're set to. You can be at warp 0.001 and still be "at warp", if your warp drive is what is doing he propulsion.

As to being at warp when leaving spacedock, the parking brake was on. They could have been cranking the engines at warp 9 and not been going anywhere.

This is right after Sulu turns off the parking brake and punches it.The ship begins to visibly strech and the stars warp during this scene,and the speedo is right top of the window as its happening.

 

[JuanBolio]

In that case, I'd say the shot from inside the ship and the shot of it shooting away from outside were shown out of sequence. There's no way it would be at warp 0.8, much less warp 8, and have the Earth still visible and that large behind it.

 

[Kpnuts]

No the shots were not shown out of sequence ffs, you're overthinking things!

 

[Kpnuts]

I saw the film again tonight, and once again, I can assure you that the warp factor indicator above the viewscreen:

Starts at Warp Factor 0.000, then climbs steadily to 0.800 and at that exact instant, the camera cuts to an exterior shot, where the ship warps away (no doubt at warp "1.000")

So Silversmok3, I hope you will be able to see the film again in the coming weeks, so you can see that you were indeed wrong. Sorry to take the "I told you so" approach, but your attitude and arrogance on this thread has forced me into it.

It was ludicrous to suggest that the ship was at warp 8, even though it was standing still next to the dry dock. It makes no sense and your argument was never convincing.

It's far more logical the way they did it, showing the acceleration from standing still, to the speed of light (warp 1).

Thank you.

 

[Silversmok3]

I saw the film again tonight, and once again, I can assure you that the warp factor indicator above the viewscreen:

Starts at Warp Factor 0.000, then climbs steadily to 0.800 and at that exact instant, the camera cuts to an exterior shot, where the ship warps away (no doubt at warp "1.000")

So Silversmok3, I hope you will be able to see the film again in the coming weeks, so you can see that you were indeed wrong. Sorry to take the "I told you so" approach, but your attitude and arrogance on this thread has forced me into it.

It was ludicrous to suggest that the ship was at warp 8, even though it was standing still next to the dry dock. It makes no sense and your argument was never convincing.

It's far more logical the way they did it, showing the acceleration from standing still, to the speed of light (warp 1).

Thank you.

My arrogance?I didn't say my viewpoint was 'fact',and believe it or not I didn't even claim your viewpoint was ludicrous.


As stated above,when I confirm it myself before the end of this week ill admit you were right.That will end this tangent from why I posted this thread.

 

[pookha]

The Enterprise,at least on acceleration,is capable of Warp 7 at least judging by the speedo at the top of the windshield/screen.

When was this?

Another reference of the window speedo shows crusing speed of warp 4.5 during the Checkov/age scene.

A goof, considering Chekov mentions he hopes Scotty can get the engines to warp 3.

By then the Enterprise was damaged including, if I'm not mistaken, a damaged nacelle after it scraped some debris.

yes and they also had a radiation leak inside engineering.
what chekov ment was if scotty could repair the ship and enable to reach warp 4 with all the damage they took both from hitting the debris from ships and the attack on the armada.
4.5 shows that he gave them the 4.0 and better/