Speaking as one of the "Old"
Trekkers...... I think the NuTOS has a shot.
This is my first post so if the uberMods feel it needs to be moved elsewhere then so let it be written, then let it be moved...
From the opening scene, canon is out the window. Time travel is an old ST standby but at the end the timeline is normally restored thus making the boo boo all better. Not Now.
I like Canon. It allows the creation of a shared universe and allows other creators to get involved without mucking it up. That is one reason why the movies and TV series' have lasted so long and so well.
But, by leaving the movie as it was, all the canon is gone. McCoy likely will never save (or not) Edith. Spock isn't gonna ponfar all over Vulcan either. This movie actually paves the way for a ST:NuTOS without canon issues. They can boldly go places etc. Why the exceptionally young Capt JTK could discover the Borg since Scotty now knows Transwarp works.
On the movie itself, weaving opinion and possibly flawed logic.
Plot.
- Time Travel. Old standby. Almost ho hummed it and went for the second large popcorn.
Characters.
- I liked em all. But, I am one of the guys who are willing to suspend disbelief and cut some slack. Shatner will always be JTK, but the new kid does a great job on his own. Hope the Orion Girl comes back. She's hot.
Special effects.
-- Not the TOS Enterprise. I heard a lot of people in the audience complaining that the NuTOSEnterprise wasn't right. Those are purists. I know that TOS had buttons and sliders and levers. That was a logical progression from the 1960's tech. These FX were a logical progression from todays tech. I liked it. I really liked Archers enterprise where they tried to make it look less advanced than JTK's.
-- Imploding Vulcan was cool. Besides. Too much of ST was based on Vulcan. Now they will focus on something else.
Canon - Covered Above.
Logical Flaws.
- Spock /Uhura? What changes in the timeline fracture caused them to hook up. JTK was changed due to birth and a lack of Kirk Sr in his life. But, was there a reletive on the Kelvin that somehow
didn't point Spock or Uhura in a direction that originally avoided thier getting all hot and bothered.
- Chasm in Iowa? No way. I lived in Iowa as a kid. Was this an aftereffect of Xindi Superweapon?
-- Military Structure: I personally served 22 Years on Active Duty as a US Marine. So anything off about the military gets me quick. Here goes. Please help me if you can. This is the only flaw that can possibly turn me off.
Ages: 17 Checkov / Sulu were way too young to have gone thru the academy and been commissioned. Noting the uniforms, they were not cadets.
The Ranks all out of alignment w/naval tradition. Spock was a Commander while Uhura and Kirk were cadets. While it makes great Movie, it would not work in real life. Even being awared the Congressional Medal of Honor equivelient would only bump JTK ONE RANK. There is no way that command of StarFleets newest ship would pass from Pike to Kirk based on a cadet who got lucky and showed some natural ability. I've personally mentored Marines with natural skill so as to fast track them. But, there is no track as fast as what was seen at the end of the flick. Part of JTK's greatness was how his experiences as a junior officer shaped him to become SF youngest captain ever.
- Escape from black hole: 1 drop "red matter" implodes a planet but a huge sphere of it only makes a small hole the enterprise can escape from?
Questions: - Assuming history was stable up to Kelvins destruction, what happened to crew? Not every member of SF would have been affected by the change. See the uhura spock question above.
Oh, and what happened to the moon by Vulcan? It was a moon that the TOS Spock was hiding on right? No planet should have sent the moon reeling or sucked it into the hole created etc. Would love to figure this out.
Likely that was too much for a first post. Off to work, great to meet y'all.
