Ira Steven Behr-Season 5-Special Features

[The Master of Tarquin Hill]

Am I seriously supposed to believe that while eating pizza in some random Hollywood pizza joint he bumped into the actor that played Arne Darvin while talking about bringing back actors from the original TOS ep?

This was not only my first foray into DS9 special features(I watched this series and all the others countless times) but quite possibly my last.

Can this same kind of BULLSHIT be expected from all of the other seasons special features of this series, as well as the other series?

 

[Gary Mitchell]

Why would someone lie about bumping into Charlie Brill? Bruce Willis- yeah. Ted Danson---maybe, but Charlie Brill?

 

[The Master of Tarquin Hill]

Why would someone lie about bumping into Charlie Brill? Bruce Willis- yeah. Ted Danson---maybe, but Charlie Brill?

I'm sorry but, it seems so utterly contrived. If you have not listened to the special feature, or have not listened to it recently, please do so before passing judgment on my skepticism.

 

[Broccoli]

The story has been around for many years before the special features and has been reported by many of the writing staff. Why would they make it up? What possible motive would they need to make it up?

ISB might stretch the truth a bit (my personal theory when it comes to him complaining about Berman), but I don't believe that he would fabricate an entire story and force the rest of the writers to go along with it.

Edit: Just to note: I have seen the special feature in question, in addition to reading about the story in various magazines around the time when the episode was produced and since.

 

[number6]

I don't find it contrived. Sometimes life is just like that...especially in LA.

 

[The Master of Tarquin Hill]

The story has been around for many years before the special features and has been reported by many of the writing staff. Why would they make it up? What possible motive would they need to make it up?

ISB might stretch the truth a bit (my personal theory when it comes to him complaining about Berman), but I don't believe that he would fabricate an entire story and force the rest of the writers to go along with it.

Edit: Just to note: I have seen the special feature in question, in addition to reading about the story in various magazines around the time when the episode was produced and since.

Please, don't get me wrong, I would like the story to be true.

It just seems way too fantastical to me.

I would not have made mention of this particular instance of serendipity if it had not strained credulity to the breaking point.

 

[Sci]

The story has been around for many years before the special features and has been reported by many of the writing staff. Why would they make it up? What possible motive would they need to make it up?

ISB might stretch the truth a bit (my personal theory when it comes to him complaining about Berman), but I don't believe that he would fabricate an entire story and force the rest of the writers to go along with it.

Edit: Just to note: I have seen the special feature in question, in addition to reading about the story in various magazines around the time when the episode was produced and since.

Please, don't get me wrong, I would like the story to be true.

It just seems way too fantastical to me.

I would not have made mention of this particular instance of serendipity if it had not strained credulity to the breaking point.

Dude, it's not like saying you bumped into Charlie Brill is some amazing thing that most people would never believe. He's not exactly a super-celeb.

The story's been out there for years. It hasn't changed. All the writers vouch for it. It's not particularly implausible, given as how Brill isn't exactly someone you would never imagine going to a pizza shop. In other words, there's plenty of evidence it did happen and none it didn't.

You're being irrational in thinking they're lying to you for no reason.

 

[AlphaMan]

I saw Elvis.

Seriously, bumping into past-celebs in LA is no strange incident. I live in NY andbump into a few every now and then myself.

 

[JoeD80]

Am I seriously supposed to believe that while eating pizza in some random Hollywood pizza joint he bumped into the actor that played Arne Darvin while talking about bringing back actors from the original TOS ep?

Yes, it could easily happen. You tend to bump in to actors from time to time working here in Hollywood, unless they're living in a cave or something.

 

[Anthony Sabre]

That's nothing honestly. No lies:

I was once one the same airplane with Cindy Crawford. She was in first class and saw I her later, with some security, in the baggage claim.

Little Richard, surrounded by security, walked past me in Atlanta airport.

Sat one row behind Gary Payton, and his family, on an airplane.

So I personally don't have problems believing he'd run into a celeb while out and about.

 

[Hober Mallow]

I've bumped into Sir Mix-a-lot about five times in three different places. Really nice guy with a really cool wife or girlfriend -- I'm not sure if they're married -- who makes the best cheesecakes you've ever tasted. She used to make the cakes for a little family restaurant I used to go to all the time.

My girlfriend stood in front of Jennifer Love Hewett and some dude in a line to a ride at Universal Studios. Hewett tried cut in front; my girl didn't let that happen.

Just last week my brother was at at airport and bumped into Jonathan Hilstrand, captain of the Deadliest Catch crab boat Time Bandit.

Ashley Simpson popped in to eat at the Red Lobster I worked at about five years ago.

While my parents were on an Alaskan cruise, my dad noticed Robert Picardo getting a drink.

Celebrities aren't like Big Foot or UFOs. They're people with lives who go out and do things. Bumping into them isn't that rare. All of the above incidents, with the exception of the Jennifer Love-Hewett and Robert Picardo episodes, happened in the greater Seattle area. In LA it's even more common.

 

[Anthony Sabre]

My girlfriend stood in front of Jennifer Love Hewett and some dude in a line to a ride at Universal Studios. Hewett tried cut in front; my girl didn't let that happen.

So envious of this one, but it was pretty low class of her to try and cut.

On second thought, I'd have let Love cut in front so I could check out the "view" from behind.

 

[Gary Mitchell]

If you have not listened to the special feature, or have not listened to it recently, please do so before passing judgment on my skepticism.

I have listened to it, I've also read about it.

 

[Hober Mallow]

So envious of this one, but it was pretty low class of her to try and cut.

Yeah, my girlfriend was pretty proud of herself for keeping Hewitt in her place behind her. She's pretty tall, while Hewitt is three-foot-nothing on stilts. Funnily enough, my girlfriend likes Ghost Whisperer.

 

[PorthosShadow]

I don't believe ISB has any reason to make up this kind of story so I have no equal reason to disbelieve him. I'm surprised you didn't take you issue with the end of the story when he said "it just proves that God is a DS9 fan" Anyway, it may be incredible but in LA, its not impossible.

 

[Navaros]

Behr doesn't strike me as a liar. He's pretty honest about many of the crap episodes of DS9 and how he didn't like to write for TNG because it had no conflict, and all sorts of things like that. Hence, I believe his story that is discussed in the OP.

Personally though, that actor didn't do anything for me whatsoever, so the story has no meaning for me. If there was an actor that I actually cared about who they ran into by huge coincidence, then a story like that would have some meaning for me.

As for the extra features: they aren't very impressive. They suck because they are way too short, and instead of letting the showrunners/actors talk, most of the time is spent showing footage from the show that everyone has already seen anyways. I reallyyyyyyyyyy hate that. Moore said the interviews were 1.5 hours (at least his was, the others' probably were too)...Paramount should release that - the entire 1.5 hour interviews uncut, instead of the tiny pieces of them annoyingly edited into 30 seconds of an actor/showrunner talking combined with 2.5 minutes of stock footage; which is all that they put on the DVDs as they stand now.

In other words, if you are buying the DVDs for the 'special features', which amount to little other than paltry scraps, you are getting ripped off, big-time.

 

[Broccoli]

Well, in fairness, who knows what they actually talked about in the interviews and how much of that was actually usable in the features they were trying to put together. Like maybe Moore babbled on about Quarks toenails or something for fifteen minutes. How much could that be used?

That being said, yes, the features on the earlier sets were pretty weak. I thought they finally got around to decent features with the ENT DVDs (particularly with the bloopers).

 

[Navaros]

Well, in fairness, who knows what they actually talked about in the interviews and how much of that was actually usable in the features they were trying to put together. Like maybe Moore babbled on about Quarks toenails or something for fifteen minutes. How much could that be used?

I think 100% of what they said would be usable. The few seconds of those interviews that are on the DVDs are extremely fascinating...which IMO indicates that so would the entire interviews be...which just makes it all the more frustrating that they are chopped into tiny little pieces.

In any case, the fans should be able to watch the whole interviews and determine for themselves what is useful or not, not the Paramount chopping peoples.

 

[The Master of Tarquin Hill]

OK

The consensus is that this was a beautiful happening.

I'll roll with it.

 

[Broccoli]

Well, in fairness, who knows what they actually talked about in the interviews and how much of that was actually usable in the features they were trying to put together. Like maybe Moore babbled on about Quarks toenails or something for fifteen minutes. How much could that be used?

I think 100% of what they said would be usable. The few seconds of those interviews that are on the DVDs are extremely fascinating...which IMO indicates that so would the entire interviews be...which just makes it all the more frustrating that they are chopped into tiny little pieces.

In any case, the fans should be able to watch the whole interviews and determine for themselves what is useful or not, not the Paramount chopping peoples.

Oh, I completely agree. I'm sure all of what they said was interesting and I'd be curious to hear it.

I'm just saying say the DVD producers wanted, for example, to do a feature on the Klingons, another on the Dominion, and another on Quark. However, when interviewed, lets say RdM talked about the Breen for a good portion of time for whatever reason. It might have been gold what he said, but it wouldn't really fit into what they planned as features.