Bob Orci open to the possibility of Khan

[RAMA]

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109. RAMA - June 4, 2009 BobOrci, thanks for taking the time out for feedback.
I like Khan, but I very firmly believe that this new incarnation of Trek should have a NEW story with some familiar elements, say the Gorn or Tholians. I also feel the epic nature of the movie should be maintained within this format. What we have never seen in the movies is a great “quest” storyline (like STNG’s The Chase), or even a political/war story such as STNG’s “Redemption”, or DS9’s Dominion arc. I realize you couldn’t go all-out in a 2 hr movie but these are elements I think would go over well.
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[JewelsNeeJulian]

As a supporter of Nu Trek and wanting them to spin off and see what they can do with nu-Continuity, Retreading older stories is a bloody horrible idea.

We've got enough material to fiddle with on the macro scale to make for interesting stories

 

[clint g]

Awful idea. Leave that one to the fan fiction writers.

Yeh because they don't suck...Trek fan fiction is 99% garbage due the amount of self given fanwanks given out on how the believe canon should be.

That is exactly what I'm saying. It is fan fiction material.

They already tried to remake The Wrath of Khan once. It was called 'Nemesis'. It sucked.

*ahem*more than once *ahem*

They have essentially tried copying TWoK 3 or 4 times. We had
TUC
Genesis
Nemesis
Insurrection
Trek XI....this one being the most blatant TWoK rip off

Each of which were TWOK clones. That's not to say they were bad movies, I actualy enjoyed each one...including Nemesis. But enough is enough, they've done the singular mad man thing to death. It's time to move on to a different story.

 

[Jax]

So many doubters for STAR TREK so will be nice to see them prove everybody wrong again. Paramount will push for a Khan plot eventually so I would rather have this team do it rather than some other unknowns who will do it just for $$$ paramount will offer them to follow there orders.

Again a 3rd or hell if we get a 4th movie I want to see Kahn but a direct sequel should be something new. The audience have been introduced to Romulans so keep that theme and mix it up with some Klingons because with Vulcan on there knees am sure Romulus will make a move for power agaisnt the Federation.

Hell chuck the Orion Sydnicate in while your at it lets have a party.

and for the people who say this is a bad idea (Khan one) its got nothing against the horrible ideas that we should have the flaming BORG.

 

[clint g]

and for the people who say this is a bad idea (Khan one) its got nothing against the horrible ideas that we should have the flaming BORG.

The difference being of course that the powers that be probably arent considering the Borg whatsoever. That does not seem to be the case with the equally crappy Khan idea

 

[Anticitizen]

Yeh because they don't suck...Trek fan fiction is 99% garbage due the amount of self given fanwanks given out on how the believe canon should be.

That is exactly what I'm saying. It is fan fiction material.

They already tried to remake The Wrath of Khan once. It was called 'Nemesis'. It sucked.

*ahem*more than once *ahem*

They have essentially tried copying TWoK 3 or 4 times. We had
TUC
Genesis
Nemesis
Insurrection
Trek XI....this one being the most blatant TWoK rip off

Each of which were TWOK clones. That's not to say they were bad movies, I actualy enjoyed each one...including Nemesis. But enough is enough, they've done the singular mad man thing to death. It's time to move on to a different story.

Well, I'd exclude TUC from that list because it was more of a political conspiracy angle... but both main antagonists did have a proclivity for spouting ancient Earth literature during battle

Enterprise also did their poor man's Space Seed with the Augment episodes.

 

[Aashlee]

No, I've already seen a Khan movie. I'd like to see something else.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Reading between the lines over there, it looks as if Khan is pretty likely for the sequel - the studio's picking up on the amount of speculation and "insta-press" (as Orci put it) that comes with the character if cast with a big name.

Too bad. I prefer the suggestion made over there that Khan be teased in the second film and set up for the third.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I think that is one of the dangers of going back to the well so to speak. I hear people say they want something new and different just as the old and familiar characters from 40 years ago were brought back. There's a bit of a disconnect there and while I get what people are saying (we want new adventures with the old crew) I'm not surprised if they end up just rehashing a lot of the same old same old.

 

[RobertScorpio]

I think that is one of the dangers of going back to the well so to speak. I hear people say they want something new and different just as the old and familiar characters from 40 years ago were brought back. There's a bit of a disconnect there and while I get what people are saying (we want new adventures with the old crew) I'm not surprised if they end up just rehashing a lot of the same old same old.

Well...I need more kissing at my feet since I have been predicting KHAN all along (to the dismay of a couple MODS or TWO).

Khan is the way to go, on a pure producing level. It has 'brand' recognition as much as BATMAN JOKER and SUPERMAN LUTHOR....KIRK KHAN....see? It even looks good.

This is the way to go and I predict they will go this way...

Is it time for one of those RE-CAST KHAN threads? Hmmmmmmmmm???

Rob

 

[RAMA]

No, I've already seen a Khan movie. I'd like to see something else.

Exactly!!

 

[clint g]

I think that is one of the dangers of going back to the well so to speak. I hear people say they want something new and different just as the old and familiar characters from 40 years ago were brought back. There's a bit of a disconnect there and while I get what people are saying (we want new adventures with the old crew) I'm not surprised if they end up just rehashing a lot of the same old same old.

Well to be honest this whole project is an exercise in what I don't want I think Trek can work just fine with new stories not involving the old crew. After all, the argument that Trek is "Kirk and Spock on the Enterprise" was proven false a long time ago by TNGs success. So long as the product is entertaining however I'll keep on coming back.

That said, there are certain things that make something entertaining and other stuff that makes something amazing. I think they can do some amazing things if they just take the Trek franchise in a new direction. That won't happen if they rehash these old stories.

One reason why I think khan is a particularly bad idea is because alot of what made the Khan story special happened in TWoK and not Space Seed. Space seed was entertaining and all but when people think Khan, they think of TWoK and that can only effectively happen if you have that hate build for decades and letting it fester. If not, you have your typical madman badguy doing evil things.

They're going to try and shoehorn TWoK into space seed, and theyre going to completly miss what made it special

 

[Bones2]

How can you people accept this? If they use Khan, then they're pissing on old Trek for the sake of profit because that pair of halfwits who call themselves writers can't conjure up their own idea. Make them prove me wrong.

 

[RobertScorpio]

How can you people accept this? If they use Khan, then they're pissing on old Trek for the sake of profit because that pair of halfwits who call themselves writers can't conjure up their own idea. Make them prove me wrong.

Making money is what its all about. if they can tell a good story, and it involved khan, then so what? Did you notice how BATMAN; THE DARK KNIGHT managed to do both as well??? I think these movie producers, directors, (JJ and Nolan) seem to know what they are doing.

$$$$ and good story = success.


Rob

 

[skep155]

How can you people accept this? If they use Khan, then they're pissing on old Trek for the sake of profit because that pair of halfwits who call themselves writers can't conjure up their own idea. Make them prove me wrong.

Were The Dark Knight's writers pissing on Jack Nicholsons joker or did they produce an original story that enhanced the character and made his character even more well known?

 

[Bones2]

Yeah, but it's the good story that'll be lacking. Khan was done in what most accept as the best Trek film. It'll probably end up a contrived attempt to use the idea from a better film.

Don't get me wrong, I like the new Trek film. I think it's good. Not great, but good. But it's clear to me that if they weren't tasked with introducing the crew during the film, there would have been very little there.

Were The Dark Knight's writers pissing on Jack Nicholsons joker or did they produce an original story that enhanced the character and made his character even more well known?

Khan is one of the best parts of a 40 year continuity that almost certainly can't be done better. Batman in the previous films to Begins ran for an inconsistent, loose series.

 

[clint g]

How can you people accept this? If they use Khan, then they're pissing on old Trek for the sake of profit because that pair of halfwits who call themselves writers can't conjure up their own idea. Make them prove me wrong.

Were The Dark Knight's writers pissing on Jack Nicholsons joker or did they produce an original story that enhanced the character and made his character even more well known?

Comic books and their related media are extremely different from Star Trek. Star Trek is a continuous story where as comic books reset themselves at regular intervals. To compare them is pretty much comparing apples and oranges

 

[Falcor5]

I really want a new villain! We have already had Khan.

 

[Bones2]

How can you people accept this? If they use Khan, then they're pissing on old Trek for the sake of profit because that pair of halfwits who call themselves writers can't conjure up their own idea. Make them prove me wrong.

Were The Dark Knight's writers pissing on Jack Nicholsons joker or did they produce an original story that enhanced the character and made his character even more well known?

Comic books and their related media are extremely different from Star Trek. Star Trek is a continuous story where as comic books reset themselves at regular intervals. To compare them is pretty much comparing apples and oranges

Exactly. (QFT)

 

[TheArsenal]

No thank you. There are limitless new possibilities. Emphasis on new.