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Terminator Sequel Trilogy Theory (Spoilers)

^ In RoboCop Vs. The Terminator there was a terminator that was sent back to the BC era due to a malfunction. It was smashed by a T-Rex.

I was just doing some reading and I noted something interesting: Skynet was able to transport metal in the original films but just not through time. Skynet was supposed to have been able to essentially beam terminators into the battlefield circa 2029 but it took a lot of power. It also revealed that the Temporal Transporter was powered by Platinum.
 
I was expecting the new trilogy to also have a over arcing storyline that would eventually culminate in humanities victory over Skynet and it's machine army. Finding Kyle Reese would be the plot in Salvation, then in T5 we would get the time portal fired up and more devastation (similar to the scenes in the original Terminator movie) and Connor sends Kyle to save his mother and ensure his birth. Then in the finale we get a huge ass battle between the resistance and Skynet...
 
Not to slag McG because I don't exactly hate his work...don't like it much either, but I'm not sure he's prone to follow logic.
 
Admiral_Young said:
I was expecting the new trilogy to also have a over arcing storyline that would eventually culminate in humanities victory over Skynet and it's machine army. Finding Kyle Reese would be the plot in Salvation, then in T5 we would get the time portal fired up and more devastation (similar to the scenes in the original Terminator movie) and Connor sends Kyle to save his mother and ensure his birth. Then in the finale we get a huge ass battle between the resistance and Skynet...
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I just got back from seing the movie and first off, very cool and realistic. Yeah, I totally agree that if the sequels follow this pattern, then that would be awsome. I really didn't know what to expect from this movie. I loved it though.
 
nx1701g said:
^ In RoboCop Vs. The Terminator there was a terminator that was sent back to the BC era due to a malfunction. It was smashed by a T-Rex.

I was just doing some reading and I noted something interesting: Skynet was able to transport metal in the original films but just not through time. Skynet was supposed to have been able to essentially beam terminators into the battlefield circa 2029 but it took a lot of power. It also revealed that the Temporal Transporter was powered by Platinum.
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Oh so that's what Skynet was doing with the Platinum in Dawn of Fate.
 
What is McG talking about? If they already established that JD happens in 2004, why is he saying 'in pre-JD 2011'? Is this an error on his part, or is he interested in retconning this?
 
^ This I think is what is confusing people and pissing me off. Unless he made an error when he was speaking which is possible, I think he intends to piss all the Terminator fans off by attempting to retcon Judgment which has already attempted in the past through the overuse of time travel. I can see the plot of Terminator 5 as I said surrounding John Connor's attempt to secure his own birth by sending Kyle (this is five or six years removed now from Salvation so John's own son has been born by this point) through a time portal that Connor and his team have managed to steal the template for from Skynet. The movie would end with John giving Kyle a photo of Sarah and telling him to stop the Terminator from killing her. Kyle would ask John something like "Is there anything that you want me to say to her?" John shakes his head sadly and replies "No...tell her nothing about me other than what I've already briefed you on. It's better she doesn't know that much." Then we see Kyle Reese go through the time portal arriving a few minutes after the T-800. We also show the Resistance in a major operation attempting to stop the Terminator from going in Skynet's time portal but fail thus setting up Kyle's mission.
 
Once again - Terminator is now taking itself too seriously.

Why change things that don't need changing? Why fight it out in our time as our time wouldn't exist in the timeline of Terminator as JD starts in 2004, so it couldn't possibly take place in 2009 unless it's after JD. I can only presume he's going to show Kyle going back in time during the events of the second or third film (if he has any respect, don't have it as the cliffhanger of one of the films, for fuck sake).

Talk about fucking up Terminator royally.
 
Admiral_Young said:
^ This I think is what is confusing people and pissing me off. Unless he made an error when he was speaking which is possible, I think he intends to piss all the Terminator fans off by attempting to retcon Judgment which has already attempted in the past through the overuse of time travel. I can see the plot of Terminator 5 as I said surrounding John Connor's attempt to secure his own birth by sending Kyle (this is five or six years removed now from Salvation so John's own son has been born by this point) through a time portal that Connor and his team have managed to steal the template for from Skynet. The movie would end with John giving Kyle a photo of Sarah and telling him to stop the Terminator from killing her. Kyle would ask John something like "Is there anything that you want me to say to her?" John shakes his head sadly and replies "No...tell her nothing about me other than what I've already briefed you on. It's better she doesn't know that much." Then we see Kyle Reese go through the time portal arriving a few minutes after the T-800. We also show the Resistance in a major operation attempting to stop the Terminator from going in Skynet's time portal but fail thus setting up Kyle's mission.
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Remember that Reese didn't go back alone, one of his fellow time-travelers ended up materializing in a building or something.
 
LutherSloan said:
Remember that Reese didn't go back alone, one of his fellow time-travelers ended up materializing in a building or something.
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Awaits ruling by NX. I don't recall Reese mentioning this and know NX will know thus saving me time at Wiki or other places.
 
Captain Craig said:
LutherSloan said:
Remember that Reese didn't go back alone, one of his fellow time-travelers ended up materializing in a building or something.
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Awaits ruling by NX. I don't recall Reese mentioning this and know NX will know thus saving me time at Wiki or other places.
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Hartzilla is correct. In the original draft a character named Sumner was sent back with Reese, but he was killed when he materialized inside the fire escape. This is partially alluded to in the film The Terminator when Reese looks up at the fire escape. They determined it would be too hard to film so didn't go through with it.

The character of Sumner, however, did appear in the Terminator franchise as a time traveler. He was sent back in time with Derek Reese on Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (he was the African in Reese's Recon Team).
 
Admiral_Young said:
I was expecting the new trilogy to also have a over arcing storyline that would eventually culminate in humanities victory over Skynet and it's machine army. Finding Kyle Reese would be the plot in Salvation, then in T5 we would get the time portal fired up and more devastation (similar to the scenes in the original Terminator movie) and Connor sends Kyle to save his mother and ensure his birth. Then in the finale we get a huge ass battle between the resistance and Skynet...
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Or that coudl dump the cliched ended and have Skynet kick humanity's ass once and for all. End it with the whole thing being Connnor's diary, and the pages flipping as as it's burned along with the other remains of humanity.
 
^ You know that isn't a bad idea for an ending. In reality, think about it, there really is no way for Skynet to be defeated. Humanity's numbers are dwindling, the machines can just keep building new machines, it can't end really any other way.

(I'm looking forward to the debate that will soon come).
 
The themes of the movies (and The SCC) were the future is not set,and even in the darkest of times there's hope...(ignore T3's bullcrap, since thanks to time travel...even Judgement Day can be rescheduled constantly).

But if you wanna toss that for a downer ending that gives you some sort of misanthropic hard on...

I'd argue that once Skynet invented time travel; it lost a war that it logically should've won. AI not so smart.
 
^ I wouldn't say that it made Skynet's defeat inevitable, it did make the machines more advanced than they should have been though. In the original timeline Skynet made the T-800s in 2029 (Dialogue from The Terminator), with Rise and Salvation the T-800 was designed much earlier than it should be (you can see a T-800 under construction at CRS in T3, Skynet has an infiltrator online in 2018). Though it is presumable that the machines may not have the same weaknesses as in the original timeline because of humans designing them.

Seriously though I can see them going this route. What's interesting is it has been proposed in some of the expanded universe fiction that Skynet planned to make human/terminator hybrids to honor its original mandate to preserve human life. Similar to The Matrix. It interests me that Marcus is essentially one of them.
 
nx1701g said:
Captain Craig said:
LutherSloan said:
Remember that Reese didn't go back alone, one of his fellow time-travelers ended up materializing in a building or something.
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Awaits ruling by NX. I don't recall Reese mentioning this and know NX will know thus saving me time at Wiki or other places.
Click to expand...

Hartzilla is correct. In the original draft a character named Sumner was sent back with Reese, but he was killed when he materialized inside the fire escape. This is partially alluded to in the film The Terminator when Reese looks up at the fire escape. They determined it would be too hard to film so didn't go through with it.

The character of Sumner, however, did appear in the Terminator franchise as a time traveler. He was sent back in time with Derek Reese on Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (he was the African in Reese's Recon Team).
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Ok so for the movie 'verse it still never happened. No second person sent with Kyle.

Fine if they used that character in TSCC but that has no impact on the movies.
 
^^
Interestingly enough that draft of the script is on the Special Edition DVD I don't know if its on the new one though.
 
I could see an ending with Skynet victorious and a T-800 stomping on the skull of a human similar to the Future War scene in Terminator with red eyes scanning the terrian, then the familar theme song. That would be a haunting finale.
 
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