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Narada and V'ger (Some spoilers)

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Heeroyuy

Lieutenant
Anybody think that the landing bay of Narada (Seen mainly when Robau was boarding the ship) was pretty much a homage to the V'ger orifice in TMP? Also Narada's design seemed a little V'gery...

Interestingly, according to Countdown Narada is outfitted with Borg technology, and in some of the noncanon spin-off material V'ger is closely tied to the Borg. Orci and Kautzman have read a few of the novels and incorporated some of their stuff into the new film (Although they didn't design the Narada they certainly had some input into it's appearence), so I wouldn't be suprised if that idea somehow worked it's way in.
 
I am afraid that I never really thought about it, but I'm probably going to see the film again and will look.
 
Heeroyuy said:
Anybody think that the landing bay of Narada (Seen mainly when Robau was boarding the ship) was pretty much a homage to the V'ger orifice in TMP? Also Narada's design seemed a little V'gery...

Interestingly, according to Countdown Narada is outfitted with Borg technology, and in some of the noncanon spin-off material V'ger is closely tied to the Borg. Orci and Kautzman have read a few of the novels and incorporated some of their stuff into the new film (Although they didn't design the Narada they certainly had some input into it's appearence), so I wouldn't be suprised if that idea somehow worked it's way in.
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I was thinking that in the theatre as well. Wouldn't that be wild if the Narada actually wasn't destroyed at the end, that it was shot back in time to the V'Ger homeworld...now there's an idea for the sequel, make a good version of TMP.
 
davisn456 said:
Heeroyuy said:
Anybody think that the landing bay of Narada (Seen mainly when Robau was boarding the ship) was pretty much a homage to the V'ger orifice in TMP? Also Narada's design seemed a little V'gery...

Interestingly, according to Countdown Narada is outfitted with Borg technology, and in some of the noncanon spin-off material V'ger is closely tied to the Borg. Orci and Kautzman have read a few of the novels and incorporated some of their stuff into the new film (Although they didn't design the Narada they certainly had some input into it's appearence), so I wouldn't be suprised if that idea somehow worked it's way in.
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I was thinking that in the theatre as well. Wouldn't that be wild if the Narada actually wasn't destroyed at the end, that it was shot back in time to the V'Ger homeworld...now there's an idea for the sequel, make a good version of TMP.
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I went yesterday to see this movie again, and looked for this visual. And the OP is right. it does indeed have the 'feel' of the Vgr oraface. As for the Borg tech? I am glad they didn't go there in the movie because it would have, I think, been a bit too much. The Romulan ship is from the future, and that is enough reason alone, to JJ it seems, as to why it is so powerful. Then I thought about it...what if a modern day ship went back to, what, 1879? What would the technology difference be? Quite a bit, even from the stand point of a modern day TUG boat.

Rob
Scorpio
 
Heeroyuy said:
in some of the noncanon spin-off material V'ger is closely tied to the Borg.
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People need to remember one important thing: V'Ger travelled through "whole galaxies." The Borg are from this galaxy. Thus ends any connection between V'Ger and the Borg.
 
I remember reading that Gene Roddenberry was asked about the link between V'ger and the Borg during the days of TNG and he was noncommittal.
He did say it was 'possible' though.
 
fresh said:
I remember reading that Gene Roddenberry was asked about the link between V'ger and the Borg during the days of TNG and he was noncommittal.
He did say it was 'possible' though.
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Roddenberry made a joke about a connection between the Borg and V'Ger while Q Who was being filmed. That's it. A joke.
 
Another interesting similarity between V'Ger and Narada is in that they both traveled through a black hole.
 
Oh lovely. While it's not onscreen, if the COUNTDOWN info does end up being held as canon, then that means we've got Borg tech (and possibly Borg nano-probes) in the Alpha Quadrant during Kirk's era.

Who knows what the Klingons did with that stuff during the 25 years they had custody of it?

Worse, what if the nanites decide to get active on their own, with the Borg directive surfacing?
 
gastrof said:
Worse, what if the nanites decide to get active on their own, with the Borg directive surfacing?
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This is not pure Borg technology. It was Romulan/Borg technology.

If I were to speculate, the Romulans have been in possession of Borg technology since the first season episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation "The Neutral Zone". Throughout most of the decades since then, the Romulans have been heavily modifying the technology to meet their need without it reverting back to it's original function which was to assimilate everything. Even when they got the technology mostly under their control, they never used it on a massive scale due to the constant fear of the technology turning against them. Now with Romulas gone and the empire in shambles, the Romulans decided to finally use it since they had nothing more to lose. And who's ship was the first to be fully modified with this technology? The Narada.

That's my story and I'm sticking with it, canon or no canon.
 
gastrof said:
Oh lovely. While it's not onscreen, if the COUNTDOWN info does end up being held as canon, then that means we've got Borg tech (and possibly Borg nano-probes) in the Alpha Quadrant during Kirk's era.
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Well, since Enterprise is on screen, it's regarded as canon. Thus, Star Trek has had Borg technology 100 years BEFORE Kirk's era.
 
That last comment was a VERY good point.

As for the Romulans, tho', there's no evidence they got anything from the Borg back then. Rather, that the Borg took things that were Romulan, just as they did things that were Federation.
 
gastrof said:
Who knows what the Klingons did with that stuff during the 25 years they had custody of it?
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If what we saw in the movie is any indication, it would seem that all the Klingons did with Narada and its supposed Borg tech for 25 years was impound it in the Rura Penthe shipyards. That way there, should Nero ever escape, he'd have his old ship back.
 
Ok, I got this one.

In the kobayashi Maru simulator, Klingon ships are depicted to being capable of cloaking. As some fans might know, Klingons were not capable of having cloaking devices before the Romulans did. If you check back in "Countdown", the Narada did come equipped with a cloaking device after it was borgified. When it traveled back in time and was captured and confiscated by the Klingons in the NuUniverse, they were able to take it's cloaking device and implement it into their technology, thus the reason why klingon ships are depicted as being capable of cloak in Starfleet simulations.

I think this is highly possible. If Starfleet had cloaking ships in their simulators in the prime universe, there wouldn't be any surprises by the crew in regards to the cloaking capabilities of the Romulans in "Balance of Terror".
 
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