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NuTrek sequels - 24th century villains?

Captaindemotion

Captaindemotion

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I know that there are various threads speculating as to plots for sequels to Star Trek and various ideas for re-casting or imagining classic villains (Khan, Kor, Kang, Koloth, er - that's it). Haven't seen anyone discussing this topic (apologies if I've just overlooked it).

What with nuTrek and its new timeline re-writing the rules, established canon or continuity is of course out the window. So while people got annoyed to see Ferengi or Borg in Enterprise, there's no reason why they or the Cardassians, Breen or even Q can't appear in the next or subsequent movies. Altered timeline and all that.

I'd be pretty sure that Abrams and co will want to have the Klingons as the baddies in the next movie (they haven't been the big bad in a ST movie since TUC - Ursa and Betor in GEN don't count, IMHO). And many would say that VOY almost castrated the Borg by overdoing them. But still, wouldn't it be interesting to see how Kirk and Spock would deal with them? The not-really-emotionless science officer versus the truly emotionless hive machine. Or what would Bones make of the Ferengi? Doubtless he could come up with some classic borderline racist insults for them. And Kirk versus the Cardies? A grudge match made in heaven?

Part of me thinks that Abrams and co should mix classic Trek races with new ones we've never seen at all before. But another part of me thinks that this new timeline ought to allow for a little mixing and matching - to compare and contrast the way Kirk & Co handle villains with the way Picard, Sisko or Janeway did. How does everyone else feel?
 
Captaindemotion said:
I'd be pretty sure that Abrams and co will want to have the Klingons as the baddies in the next movie
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I'm pretty sure that won't be the case, as I do seem to remember some talk from the writers where they said that they won't be using Klingons, as they are the good guys in modern Trek, and the classic Trek films used them most of the time.
 
I'm sick to death of the Klingons anyway. Here's what I think has the most potential:

Romulans - Sure, they were in this movie, but they could have been any bunch of annoyed aliens. I'd like to see a movie with the Romulans treated as Romulans, meaning with the thing that makes them different than all the other enemy alien species, their ideological rift with the Vulcans, which puts them in conflict with the whole Federation. Now that the status quo has been upended, let's see where it leads.

Borg - Trek's most terrifying foes, and the most abused. They have great potential if rehabilitated and that means they must be taken absolutely seriously - they should never be defeated, even escaping from them should be difficult, and assimilation must be permanent, no exceptions EVER.

Now that the timeline allows it, maybe we could have the shock factor of a key character being assimilated, with no go-backs, and by key, I mean Big Three. Kirk would be too much of a replay of Picard; Spock would be a shocker; but for maximum gut-punch, I nominate McCoy. :evil:

Remember: no go-backs.

Dominion - Old Spock can warn Starfleet how not to rile the Dominion up unnecessarily, which leaves open the possibility that no war will break out. The Founders' motives were murky enough, though, that it's not clear that war can be avoided. Were they simply paranoid about the interlopers or was there an imperialistic motive beyond simple self-protection?

I was going to start a "replay DS9 in the new timeline" thread in the DS9 forum, but the larger issue of replaying the Dominion War, or elements thereof, in the new timeline, and in the 23rd C, is also interesting. How would first contact with the Dominion unfold in the 23rd C, with Old Spock to counsel Starfleet?
 
I wouldn't mind seeing the Cardassians or Bajorans or the Tzenkethi or any other "24th century" races that we know were known to the Federation back then. Furthermore, we need to see more of the Andorians, Tellarites, Denobulans, etc.
 
Captaindemotion said:
What with nuTrek and its new timeline re-writing the rules, established canon or continuity is of course out the window. So while people got annoyed to see Ferengi or Borg in Enterprise, there's no reason why they or the Cardassians, Breen or even Q can't appear in the next or subsequent movies. Altered timeline and all that.
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The Borg have been done to death. I could live comfortably if Trek never revisited them.

Ferengi don't work as villains, as was quickly discovered in TNG.

Q only worked on TNG. Watch his DS9 episode or his Voyager episodes as proof. Though, Death Wish was actually pretty decent.

But finally, with the Cardassians and the Breen, or really all of these races mentioned here, there is no need to bring them back. TOS has plenty of potential villains and lots of alien races to use. Gorn, Cheronians, Trelane, Gary Mitchell. Any of these could be used in Trek XII. Stick with the 23rd century and its villains. Don't turn this altered 23rd century into the locale for folks from the 24th century to walk in mess around.
 
The gorn! The CGI is at the stage where it could work.

anything but Klingons or the bloody borg!
 
If Abrams is involved, perhaps the main villain can be named Jacob, and they can spend part of the film retconning him into all the main crew's backstory...
 
Admiral Pike comes aboard the Enterprise with his former first officer and protégé, who we know as Number One from 'The Cage.' She is a Betazoid captain and daughter of the Fifth House, heir to the Holy Rings, and holder of the Sacred Chalice, yada yada yada (the implication being that she's the ancestor of Lwaxana and Deanna, but that won't be mentioned directly obviously). Hers is the benevolent ruling family of Betazed, and she is supposed to take the throne. Despite her wanting to remain in Starfleet and not wanting to assume the throne, she chooses to do so because otherwise the title would fall to her brother, who would be a tyrant. The Enterprise, as the flagship, is tasked with making the easy VIP milk run to Betazed and waiting to take Pike back after the ceremony.

Her brother of course is not pleased with this development, since he's been on-planet in the thick of things while she's been running around exploring the galaxy. So he takes the throne from her by force, and she and her mentor and friend Pike are held hostage on the surface.

The Betazoid fleet is not powerful by any means, and while the Enterprise could hold its own, the Betazoid military has the advantage of numbers, and most importantly the advantage of being able to see their enemy's every move in your mind the moment you think it. How do you defeat an enemy who is prepared for any tactic you can think up before you can even give the order? The only way to do it would be to overwhelm the enemy by giving them too many sources giving orders to monitor them all at once.

Have every senior member of your crew input tactics into the computer and have the computer execute those tactics at random. This would give an opportunity for every primary character to contribute to the outcome of the battle as well.

While that's going on, a simultaneous rescue mission for Pike and Number One will also be underway. Without computer control being an option here, simple brute force will have to overcome the enemy knowing that you're coming. Plenty of opportunity for big ground battles and redshirt deaths galore.

Naturally, at the end of the story Number One (we'll have to give her a name of course, perhaps call her Deanna and say Troi was named after her) will have reclaimed the throne. But in a surprise move, her first act is to immediately order the dissolving of hereditary rule in favor of parliamentary democracy and to hold free elections, where she is elected as the new Prime Minister (after a period of time passing). The titles she holds become ceremonial in nature and are still passed down to her children. Betazed joins the Federation by the end of the film and becomes the society we know from the 24th century. The interference in local (though allied) politics causes the Federation Council to add a clause to the Prime Directive about not interfering with the internal affairs of non-Federation nations.
 
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I like your Betazoid plot or any similar story featuring the introduction of a 24th-century alien race.

For instance, the writers could also do a story on the invasion of Bajor by the Cardassians (although I don't know exactly when such occupation took place in the Prime Universe) and how the Federation's Prime Directive would prohibit Kirk and his crew from interfering in the affairs of a non-aligned world. They could feature a rogue Starfleet officer secretly collaborating with the Bajorans and supplying them weapons in their rebellion and Captain Kirk being torn between arresting the officer and helping an entire culture.

Or what about the Trill Homeworld? DS9's Troubles and Tribble-ations made a reference to one of Dax's host having a brief romantic encounter with Dr. McCoy. Let's say there was a civil war or some kind of power struggle going on in the Trill System, and the Enterprise crew was sent on an errand mission by Admiral Pike.

Another idea to consider is a Journey to Babel type of movie (though Amanda obviously wouldn't make an appearance). To me, there is still a lot we don't know about TOS aliens like Andorians, Tellarites, Orions, and Gorn based on their brief TV or movie appearances (not counting the pocketbook novels). It would be interesting to explore their cultures a bit more or include a major appearance by one of these aliens. In the Abramverse, such alien races such as the Trill, Ferengi, Betazoids, El-Aureans, Bajorans, and Cardassians could already be part of the new reality, too.

Although the Klingons or the Romulans would make easy choices as villains, they're not really "24th century" bad guys in the sense. The Borg has been overdone, and I'd much rather see a new species than the Borg.
 
RegentWorf said:
I wouldn't mind seeing the Cardassians or Bajorans or the Tzenkethi or any other "24th century" races that we know were known to the Federation back then. Furthermore, we need to see more of the Andorians, Tellarites, Denobulans, etc.
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I vote the Tzenkethi! we were supposed to get them in the fifth season of ENTERPRISE, but we all know how THAT turned out.:shifty:
 
i agree w/previous posters
no borg
no romulans
no klingons
something form TOS should be revisited, or someone's backstory (not big three) should be the source of the plot....
 
NO TNG villians please, what an utter lack of imagination that would be. They wrote themselves out of the prequel box for a reason - let's think of something new.
 
Maybe they should come up with an original villain, something new.

Or those aliens from Andromeda (not Mudd) but the ones who took over the Enterprise with their "power belts" and eventually Kirk seduced one of them making them go away, or something.
Have it that in this timeline instead of sending an expeditionary force, they send their full armada and Starfleet must fight them off.
 
Temis the Vorta said:
Borg - Trek's most terrifying foes, and the most abused. They have great potential if rehabilitated and that means they must be taken absolutely seriously - they should never be defeated, even escaping from them should be difficult, and assimilation must be permanent, no exceptions EVER.
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Terrifying until they showed up on Voyager, where you can actually plan to be assimilated because you know you'll be rescued and your doctor will heal you 100%.
 
I sure hope some of these ideas are just fans joking around otherwise they suck. Talk about fanwanking to the Nth Degree.

Here's an idea why not use a race that is TOS appropriate and develop an interesting fresh story around them. Please no Borg, no Cardassians, no Dominion, no Conspiracy aliens, no Xindi, no Betazoids, no Nausicaans, no Breen etc.
 
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