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What's keeping me out of the theatre....

As I have said, I have yet to see a cogent argument without a lot of sniggering and namecalling. If you can present an argument without calling the writers morons or the fans who like this film sheep, then I'll gladly listen. It's meaningless to me to simply say that ____ sucks or ____ lacks substance without explaining why or providing proof. Hence the argument is a complete failure and deserves to be dismissed as such.

I'm working on that. :p

Still, you have to admit that what you describe isn't a trait not shared by people on both extremes of the debate.
 
As I have said, I have yet to see a cogent argument without a lot of sniggering and namecalling. If you can present an argument without calling the writers morons or the fans who like this film sheep, then I'll gladly listen. It's meaningless to me to simply say that ____ sucks or ____ lacks substance without explaining why or providing proof. Hence the argument is a complete failure and deserves to be dismissed as such.

I'm working on that. :p

Still, you have to admit that what you describe isn't a trait not shared by people on both extremes of the debate.
No it isn't. And you should notice that I generally treat both types of posts the same way.

It does no good to just say "OMG JJ is TEH AWESOME" either.
 
Well, Number6, since you don't accept something as simple as "This film didn't appeal to me" as a good enough reason, you're pretty much screwing the argument outright.

No matter what, there is absolutely no legitimate reason for you to constantly and incessantly attack anyone who has any reason to dislike this movie in such personal ways. The problem is not that you like the movie, but how you treat people who do not, or not as much as you.
 
As I have said, I have yet to see a cogent argument without a lot of sniggering and namecalling.

That is how I would describe the nature of your posts.

If you can present an argument without calling the writers morons or the fans who like this film sheep, then I'll gladly listen. It's meaningless to me to simply say that ____ sucks or ____ lacks substance without explaining why or providing proof. Hence the argument is a complete failure and deserves to be dismissed as such.

As far as what you think of my posts, I am unconcerned.

Opinion doesn't require proof, and no amount of it will sway your own opinion in the slightest.
 
Well, Number6, since you don't accept something as simple as "This film didn't appeal to me" as a good enough reason, you're pretty much screwing the argument outright.

No matter what, there is absolutely no legitimate reason for you to constantly and incessantly attack anyone who has any reason to dislike this movie in such personal ways. The problem is not that you like the movie, but how you treat people who do not, or not as much as you.

"This doesn't appeal to me because it was stupid." is hardly a credible argument.

"This doesn't appeal to me because I felt it was too action oriented and didn't have enough of Trek's more cerebral science fiction elements" is a credible argument.

The math isn't too hard on how I would respond to these kind of posts.

I'm not interested in your opinion of me.
 
Opinion doesn't require proof, and no amount of it will sway your own opinion in the slightest.

Opinion doesn't require proof. Argument requires proof or evidence to be valid. I'm pretty sure he's saying he doesn't like arguments that aren't followed with some evidence, just ad hominems or vulgar insults.
 
Opinion doesn't require proof, and no amount of it will sway your own opinion in the slightest.

Opinion doesn't require proof. Argument requires proof or evidence to be valid. I'm pretty sure he's saying he doesn't like arguments that aren't followed with some evidence, just ad hominems or vulgar insults.

I also don't like posts with an obvious agenda. There are certain people who set up posts just to solicit such insults and petty behaviour (B&B threads come to mind as does a few choice threads from specific posters).
While my better instincts would ignore such threads, you gotta admit that those threads can be a lot of fun, especially if you're on the opposing side of the argument.
 
"This doesn't appeal to me because it was stupid." is hardly a credible argument.

It's an opinion on a matter of aesthetics. I've got news for you, if he finds it stupid, that's credible enough for his opinion. Deal with it. It is still not a legitimate reason for you to engage in harassment of other users - which you now openly amdit that you're doing.

I'm not interested in your opinion of me.

Bullshit. You wouldn't be doing all this, and attempting to justify it, if you didn't. I'm just asking, nicely, knock off the personal attacks just because someone didn't like the film, for whatever reason, even if they just felt it's stupid.
 
I also don't like posts with an obvious agenda. There are certain people who set up posts just to solicit such insults and petty behaviour (B&B threads come to mind as does a few choice threads from specific posters).
While my better instincts would ignore such threads, you gotta admit that those threads can be a lot of fun, especially if you're on the opposing side of the argument.

Fun? Sure, but not for long.

The threads you're describing are like sparklers. They're great for a few minutes, but if you hold them too long you'll burn your hand.
 
"This doesn't appeal to me because it was stupid." is hardly a credible argument.

It's an opinion on a matter of aesthetics. I've got news for you, if he finds it stupid, that's credible enough for his opinion. Deal with it. It is still not a legitimate reason for you to engage in harassment of other users - which you now openly amdit that you're doing.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't think that aesthetic opinion is enough of a justification to call JJ a 'Jewish twat' or something of the like.

If you provide evidence to that effect, you're still racist, but at least you have something to work with. :devil:

I'm not interested in your opinion of me.

Bullshit. You wouldn't be doing all this, and attempting to justify it, if you didn't. I'm just asking, nicely, knock off the personal attacks just because someone didn't like the film, for whatever reason, even if they just felt it's stupid.

Oh for fuck's sake, he's clearly being semi-facetious. Look at how many times he's ended his posts like that.
 
"This doesn't appeal to me because it was stupid." is hardly a credible argument.

It's an opinion on a matter of aesthetics. I've got news for you, if he finds it stupid, that's credible enough for his opinion. Deal with it. It is still not a legitimate reason for you to engage in harassment of other users - which you now openly amdit that you're doing.

I'm not interested in your opinion of me.

Bullshit. You wouldn't be doing all this, and attempting to justify it, if you didn't. I'm just asking, nicely, knock off the personal attacks just because someone didn't like the film, for whatever reason, even if they just felt it's stupid.

Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not attempting to "justify" anything. I am responding in a cogent manner. You don't like what I have to say, deal with it. It's not a legitimate excuse for you to harrass me which you are obviously trying to do. I will post how I please. You're not the boss of me.

I explained how I respond to posts to clarify what I feel is a cogent argument. Nothing more. Accept it and move on. The fact that you continually try to engage me seems to betray your expression of any real concern for other posters. I think you obviously have a man crush on me and cannot possibly resist the charming way I use words in a sentence.
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"This doesn't appeal to me because it was stupid." is hardly a credible argument.

It's an opinion on a matter of aesthetics. I've got news for you, if he finds it stupid, that's credible enough for his opinion. Deal with it. It is still not a legitimate reason for you to engage in harassment of other users - which you now openly amdit that you're doing.

I'm not interested in your opinion of me.
Bullshit. You wouldn't be doing all this, and attempting to justify it, if you didn't. I'm just asking, nicely, knock off the personal attacks just because someone didn't like the film, for whatever reason, even if they just felt it's stupid.

Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not attempting to "justify" anything. I am responding in a cogent manner. You don't like what I have to say, deal with it. It's not a legitimate excuse for you to harrass me which you are obviously trying to do. I will post how I please. You're not the boss of me.

I explained how I respond to posts to clarify what I feel is a cogent argument. Nothing more. Accept it and move on. The fact that you continually try to engage me seems to betray your expression of any real concern for other posters. I think you obviously have a man crush on me and cannot possibly resist the charming way I use words in a sentence.
:cool:
Here we go again, playing the victim as usual.
 
It's an opinion on a matter of aesthetics. I've got news for you, if he finds it stupid, that's credible enough for his opinion. Deal with it. It is still not a legitimate reason for you to engage in harassment of other users - which you now openly amdit that you're doing.

Bullshit. You wouldn't be doing all this, and attempting to justify it, if you didn't. I'm just asking, nicely, knock off the personal attacks just because someone didn't like the film, for whatever reason, even if they just felt it's stupid.

Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not attempting to "justify" anything. I am responding in a cogent manner. You don't like what I have to say, deal with it. It's not a legitimate excuse for you to harrass me which you are obviously trying to do. I will post how I please. You're not the boss of me.

I explained how I respond to posts to clarify what I feel is a cogent argument. Nothing more. Accept it and move on. The fact that you continually try to engage me seems to betray your expression of any real concern for other posters. I think you obviously have a man crush on me and cannot possibly resist the charming way I use words in a sentence.
:cool:
Here we go again, playing the victim as usual.
Hardly.:lol:
 
Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not attempting to "justify" anything. I am responding in a cogent manner. You don't like what I have to say, deal with it. It's not a legitimate excuse for you to harrass me which you are obviously trying to do. I will post how I please. You're not the boss of me.

I explained how I respond to posts to clarify what I feel is a cogent argument. Nothing more. Accept it and move on. The fact that you continually try to engage me seems to betray your expression of any real concern for other posters. I think you obviously have a man crush on me and cannot possibly resist the charming way I use words in a sentence.
:cool:
Here we go again, playing the victim as usual.
Hardly.:lol:

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ST 09: $278 million worldwide by Monday night. Only STMMP remains now, adjusted for inflation for top grossing ST movies. ST made this number in 17 DAYS! STTMP had multiple releases. Japan and Mexico releases will likely send the $87 million international figure over $110 million.

I would like to thank the "purists" for making this movie such an unqualified critical and financial success!

RAMA

You can't resist posting money numbers, can you? Tell me, do you think the film at the top of this list in the greatest movie ever made?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films

Or even ANY of the first 10?

Did any of those movies have a 96% critic rating? Or have 85% to 90% excellent rating from viewers? So if you combine viewer opinion, critic opinion and $300 million in box office, I'd say you have an all-encompassing winner of best ST movie, wouldn't you? ;)

Anyway, my box office figures are directly related to the thread's title.

RAMA
 
ST 09: $278 million worldwide by Monday night. Only STMMP remains now, adjusted for inflation for top grossing ST movies. ST made this number in 17 DAYS! STTMP had multiple releases. Japan and Mexico releases will likely send the $87 million international figure over $110 million.

I would like to thank the "purists" for making this movie such an unqualified critical and financial success!

RAMA

You can't resist posting money numbers, can you? Tell me, do you think the film at the top of this list in the greatest movie ever made?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films

Or even ANY of the first 10?

Did any of those movies have a 96% critic rating? Or have 85% to 90% excellent rating from viewers? So if you combine viewer opinion, critic opinion and $300 million in box office, I'd say you have an all-encompassing winner of best ST movie, wouldn't you? ;)

Anyway, my box office figures are directly related to the thread's title.

RAMA
Well said, RAMA-LLAMA!!
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ST 09: $278 million worldwide by Monday night. Only STMMP remains now, adjusted for inflation for top grossing ST movies. ST made this number in 17 DAYS! STTMP had multiple releases. Japan and Mexico releases will likely send the $87 million international figure over $110 million.

I would like to thank the "purists" for making this movie such an unqualified critical and financial success!

RAMA

You can't resist posting money numbers, can you? Tell me, do you think the film at the top of this list in the greatest movie ever made?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films

Or even ANY of the first 10?

Did any of those movies have a 96% critic rating? Or have 85% to 90% excellent rating from viewers? So if you combine viewer opinion, critic opinion and $300 million in box office, I'd say you have an all-encompassing winner of best ST movie, wouldn't you? ;)

Anyway, my box office figures are directly related to the thread's title.

RAMA

I need only to see that Moonraker, the movie that featured James Bond in space, beat out ST:TMP in '79 to realize that box office figures mean jack shit.
 
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