Is the Terminator Franchise in trouble? (MOD CHALLENGE ITT)

[pookha]

Re: Is the Terminator Franchise in trouble?

T4 performed on the low end of expectations for sure. Saying it tanked is inaccurate. Still the main point can be agreed upon, its treading softly.
What still may happen this weekend and the weeks ahead is that its the only pure action film out there. Take this weekend for example. UP and Museum 2 will be competing for the same audience so T4 could find some better than expected legs as the only testerone alternative thats new.
Trek and Wolverine have seen most of their money. Angels and Demons isn't a direct competitor for the same type moviegoer leaving T4 another weekend or two to bail water and right the ship.

the problem is it is losing money from day to day.

Um, all movies perform that way post opening weekend. About the only time you might see an uptick from day to day is an opening Fri and then it goes up on Sat.
Movies then dip on Monday and continue to dip thru Thursday then a Fri uptick followed by descent.
You added/proved nothing with your statement.

it lost money from friday to saturday..
a lot of movies make more from their first friday to their first saturday especially if the word of mouth is good.

 

[nx1701g]

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I highly doubt Cameron would do it.

And if he did, he would probably demand that 3 and 4 be ignored and he do it all his way.

That would put the studio in a very unenviable position.

I don't know what Cameron's thoughts are on TS, but judging on from his comments over T3, he seemed to like it. If he came back to the franchise, I can see him at least keeping things with T3 intact.

Cameron has never given an actual opinion on Terminator 3 other than "Not bad." That was also the same thing he said about Terminator: Salvation.

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

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I can't see Cameron ever directing another Terminator film.

 

[MNM]

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Does this mean no Terminator Cereal, Lego Terminator, Barbie Terminator or Terminator Monopoly?

If they ever make a Lego Terminator video game, I am buying that in an instant!

 

[Deckerd]

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nx1701g completely confused me when he started talking about Cameron.

 

[Nardpuncher]

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"Terminator was a great franchise. But that was another life!"

I swear to God, between this and the Buffy thread, I'm going to start banning people who post stuff like this.

The worst are the " I like this thread...it's exciting!" ones.

 

[nx1701g]

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nx1701g completely confused me when he started talking about Cameron.

The Cameron I was referring to was James Cameron. He has said that his story for Terminator is over and that he was done with T2.

However, if you watch the documentary about the creation of T2:3D at Universal Studios he says that he sees the attraction as the leadup to his version of Terminator 3. Why he didn't continue the series in his own way has never been revealed and he didn't start with the T2 was the end of my story until T3 was announced under Mostow.

Cameron has said the same thing about T3 and T4, that they weren't bad films.

 

[SummerDream]

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I think a lot of the problem with the movie is the same thing that happened to SW:TPM. People have written this movie in their heads for the last 20 years. It would take something mind blowingly amazing to be a hit. Both films have major story problems no doubt about that but some things are better left unshown and up to our imaginations.

In other words, the movie should have been done by the tv show people, featuring the tv show actors.
The franchise is not in trouble as long as they figure out the need for new season of tssc is rather acute - and the marketing people need to understand the series before doing the adverts for it. The ingenuity in the plots, best new female actress for years, or possibly ever, it is almost impossible to get it wrong.
If they let it be too long, then the investors will lose money. Now they only lost maybe 300 million or so compared to what they could have gotten very easily. Still it is unlikely this movie actually lost money. Next will unless they get things rights. Still they did not get nearly as much money for their investment as they could have gotten.

 

[Timby]

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MeanJoePhaser and Snaploud ... I'm very disappointed.

 

[Aragorn]

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The unconditional gushing over Sarah Connor Chronicles is bewildering. Like it for what it is, but good lord, would you like a towel to wipe up after yourself?

 

[Dream]

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The unconditional gushing over Sarah Connor Chronicles is bewildering.

I wonder where the fans were when the show badly needed viewers?

 

[SummerDream]

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The unconditional gushing over Sarah Connor Chronicles is bewildering.

I wonder where the fans were when the show badly needed viewers?

It had them. Still has them and most have no idea it has been cancelled.
In the skynext podcast, Brian Austin Green told that almost 70 countries had tscc as number one.
That is more than enough. About 16 minutes in skynext_bag.

 

[Kelthaz]

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The unconditional gushing over Sarah Connor Chronicles is bewildering.

I wonder where the fans were when the show badly needed viewers?

It had them. Still has them and most have no idea it has been cancelled.
In the skynext podcast, Brian Austin Green told that almost 70 countries had tscc as number one.
That is more than enough. About 16 minutes in skynext_bag.

Almost 70 countries had The Sarah Connor Chronicles as their highest rated show? I find that extremely hard to believe.

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

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It wouldn't have been cancelled if it was #1 in 70 countries. It may air in 70 countries, but there's no way it's #1 in 70 countries.

 

[nx1701g]

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It wouldn't have been cancelled if it was #1 in 70 countries. It may air in 70 countries, but there's no way it's #1 in 70 countries.

It's not. A good many of the countries that aired it have switched its timeslot as well as outright cancelling it. If it's number one in 70 countries it apparently isn't number 1 in the major markets of the United Kingdom, China, Australia. The show was cancelled after four episodes in Germany and Austria (home country of the original Terminator).

I loved the show - I won't disagree with that - but the show's over and its not coming back. Move on its just getting sad now. Even the Sarah Connor Society has moved on and they had characters on the show named in honor of the owners of the website.

 

[JoeZhang]

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It was shown on virgin 1 in the UK, if it was the number one show it would have been watched by over 10 million people...

Remember we discuss fantasy here but it has to be fantasy that isn't too far-fetched for people to follow...

 

[SummerDream]

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It wouldn't have been cancelled if it was #1 in 70 countries. It may air in 70 countries, but there's no way it's #1 in 70 countries.

It's not. A good many of the countries that aired it have switched its timeslot as well as outright cancelling it. If it's number one in 70 countries it apparently isn't number 1 in the major markets of the United Kingdom, China, Australia. The show was cancelled after four episodes in Germany and Austria (home country of the original Terminator).

I loved the show - I won't disagree with that - but the show's over and its not coming back. Move on its just getting sad now. Even the Sarah Connor Society has moved on and they had characters on the show named in honor of the owners of the website.

In Britain the show was the most watched show on a relatively new channel, Branson's Virgin 1.

German pay-tv channel Premiere has shown 9 episodes.
http://www.serienjunkies.de/sarah-connor-chronicles/1x9-what-he-beheld--2-.html
Episode:Staffel: 1, Episode: 9 (1x09)
The shows are shown later in lots of countries than in USA.
Seems in Germany they have not yet started to show 2nd season but have shown first season. (Click next and there is no German title or show date.)
Deutschland:Montag, 15.Dezember 2008
http://www.premiere.at/premweb/cms/de/serien_highlight_16771.jsp

Australia is a continent but not so many people there so I doubt it is a major market.
In Australia it was shown on FOX8, subscription channel with a market share about 1 percent.
http://www.oztam.com.au/documents/2009/A1_20090503.pdf
Have no idea about China except that they have a Chinese fan site which is larger than terminatorwiki, which is largest in US.
http://www.myterminator.com/myterminator/viewthread.php?tid=6602

Sarah Connor Society is a meaningless small site.

 

[SummerDream]

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It wouldn't have been cancelled if it was #1 in 70 countries. It may air in 70 countries, but there's no way it's #1 in 70 countries.

It is possible that he meant it was first on those channels that it aired. If it was sold to subscription channels which pay most money, they may have gotten more revenue but less viewers.

 

[nx1701g]

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It wouldn't have been cancelled if it was #1 in 70 countries. It may air in 70 countries, but there's no way it's #1 in 70 countries.

It is possible that he meant it was first on those channels that it aired. If it was sold to subscription channels which pay most money, they may have gotten more revenue but less viewers.

It's not going to happen. Get over it, move on. The show is over and I'm sure that the producers appreciate your dedication to the show but its pointless. It's not coming back.

You might have one thing going for you and that is if (and its a big if after the weekend box office) MGM decides to buy distribution of the Terminator Franchise back from Warner Brothers like is being rumored as potentially happening. The cost is $50 million.

BTW You may want to look more into Sarah Connor Society since its owners have been frequently contacted and consulted regarding the show and, more importantly, because the writers and Josh Friedman frequent the message boards. Same with TerminatorFiles.

 

[SummerDream]

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It's not going to happen. Get over it, move on. The show is over and I'm sure that the producers appreciate your dedication to the show but its pointless. It's not coming back.

You might have one thing going for you and that is if (and its a big if after the weekend box office) MGM decides to buy distribution of the Terminator Franchise back from Warner Brothers like is being rumored as potentially happening. The cost is $50 million.

BTW You may want to look more into Sarah Connor Society since its owners have been frequently contacted and consulted regarding the show and, more importantly, because the writers and Josh Friedman frequent the message boards. Same with TerminatorFiles.

It does not matter who owns it, but for those who own it, there is too much money at stake to just let it disappear.
They have paid for the franchise, with money. The potential is there, the fanbase is there.

If the management does not want to do anything with it, the owners may decide they need better management.

I say it is likely that TSCC will be back. Let us hope next fall. Do not despair anyone.

The franchise is owned by a company. It has investors. The investors want return for investment. They do not want Terminator to be forgotten and buried as they have paid for it. If it is let be for ten years, it is too late. With the series, even one year might well be too late.

To get return for the investment means doing something with (in this case) the series and movies.

It is no different than going to bank, getting a loan and buying a cab to earn a living. You will want to drive it, not let be in garage.

Save the SCC has the transcript of Friedman, Miller and Thomsen appearing on their irc http://www.savethescc.com/transcript.html
and terminatorwiki has Zack Stenz thanking fans
http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/threa...8B45C436776FC58?offset=0&maxResults=20&t=anon
http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/account/TheTurk/historythread

But they are not the people who decide on the continuation of the series so their sayings do not matter that much.
To those who make the decisions, the viewers matter more and thus the writers are asked to write what they think will attract most viewers etc. Often thus worsening the series.

These people who write and produce were selected by those who own the franchise. They may choose the same people again, or choose other people, for season three.