WWE vs. NBA

[Cky]

An interesting take on the issue from Sports Illustrated.

This caught my attention:

The fact is McMahon could have easily kept this event in Denver by moving Raw to the nearby Denver Coliseum, a solution that would have accommodated all the fans who bought tickets for the event. Instead, he declined to keep the show in Denver, announcing that fans with tickets to Monday's show could exchange them for tickets to a non-televised event at the Coliseum in August. According to Kroenke Sports, he also reneged on the idea of moving Raw to Sunday night at the Pepsi Center, instead saying that it had to be on Monday night and holding a press conference in Times Square Thursday where he continued to bash Stan Kroenke, the owner of the Pepsi Center and the Nuggets

As much as McMahon would like you to believe that it's imperative that Raw be live on Monday, it really isn't a necessity. Smackdown, the WWE's other signature show, is taped Tuesday and shown Friday nights. In fact for five years when Raw was garnering its highest ratings in the late 1990s, it was taped Tuesday every other week..

So basically, Kroenke Sports, who I can only presume is owned by Stan Kronenke, attempted to re-arrange Raw so it's taped instead of streamed live. Great, people will read spoilers and not bother with some of the show.

I'd also like to point out that the person who wrote this article obviously knows nothing about WWE at all. The last time WWE taped Raw, Mankind won the WWE title, before it was broadcast, WCW, the at the time rival show of WWE spoiled this fact (although it backfired on them, as everyone turned over to watch Mankind win the WWE title instead of WCW's Nitro show). And of course McMahon is going to try and make as much out of this as possible! He isn't a milti-millionaire because he sits on his ass and does nothing. Facts are simple, they had a contract, Kroenke broke this contract, so McMahon isn't going to sit back on it.

Besides, McMahon I think should make the most out of this. As far as I'm aware, this is the first time WWE has ever had to re-schedule an event because of poor administration, sure he could have held it down in another centre, but fuck it, it isn't what he booked, why should he?

 

[Davros]

Professional wrestling is the story of our lives played out in sweat and blood.

Not my life.

What is stupider? Shouldn't that be obvious. What sane person pays actual money to watch people throw a ball into a hoop?

It makes far more sense than spending money to watch steroid fueled no necks scream at each other and fake a fight.

Baseball, I could understand, maybe. But Basketball is a child's game. It's like watching professional lawn darts, only substantially less exciting.

Few sports out there are more boring than baseball. I can only take from this post that you have never actually watch a professional basketball game.

 

[Garak]

Honestly, comparing wrestling to a bonafide sport. Don't make me laugh. Ha. Ha. Ha.

Why not ? Sounds like you need a good laugh. Maybe then you'd lighten up and let people enjoy things that don't harm you in any way whatsoever.

I am laughing, in case you hadn't noticed! How can you not laugh at wrestling and its fans?

How do you feel about Stan Kroenke being more interested in lining his pockets than in Arsenal actually winning something?

What ? Like Abramovic did when bought up those gas rights cheap ?

No, I can't claim Abramovic is profiteering like Kroenke might be. For starters, when did Chelsea ever make a profit ? Usually it's more like the kind of record losses Leeds United would find terrifying. Then there's the season before Abramovic turned up where the club nearly went out of business based purely on the result of their game against Liverpool on the last day of the season.

And then look at all the money he's pissed away in the last couple of years for nothing. Still, at least the Not So Special One, Baron Greenback, Scolari and Hiddink are happy counting the money Abramovic paid them to not work for Chelsea anymore.

Still, it's not like anyone's around to see it for those big Champions League nights with your invisible fans who apparently didn't hear the radio ads for tickets.

You could have just said "actually I'm really quite bitter, not to mention jealous of Chelsea having an owner like Abramovich, who's only interested in winning" and saved yourself some time.

 

[Hermiod]

You could have just said "actually I'm really quite bitter, not to mention jealous of Chelsea having an owner like Abramovich, who's only interested in winning" and saved yourself some time.

Winning ? Winning what ? The FA Cup ? Even that's not guaranteed.

 

[Garak]

You could have just said "actually I'm really quite bitter, not to mention jealous of Chelsea having an owner like Abramovich, who's only interested in winning" and saved yourself some time.

Winning ? Winning what ? The FA Cup ? Even that's not guaranteed.

Everton might put up a good fight, who knows.

In any event, Arsenal's owners employ a culture of failure to ensure that their pockets are lined and the product on the pitch is pretty but lacking any substance required to win any silverware. Young talented kids that have zero experience coupled with French misfits aren't the way to go if you're serious about winning championships, everyone knows this but Arsenal's owners are more interested in their bottom line and don't give a toss about winning or about the fans, who leave Emirates with half an hour to play. Once these youngsters mature in to fine players, they will be sold off for a nice healthy profit, and the vicious circle will continue. Great business plan, if you aren't interested in winning.

Meanwhile Roman Abramovich knows that money talks and bullshit walks, and is interested in seeing his team win whatever the cost. Sure, weak minded people will gripe at the amount he spends, failing to realize every single championship ever won has been bought in one way or another, and failing to realize that everyone uses the same currency and everyone uses a hell of a lot of it. Making fun of Chelsea for spending too much money is akin to making fun of someone who has had syphillis for 2 months longer than you have. Of course you can't blame Europeans for hating on someone splashing the dosh, as their jealousy of people with money coupled with their massive sense of entitlement has been well documented throughout history and is nothing other than par for the course. Is it reckless spending? Maybe, but it's his money to do with as he pleases, something Euros have a hard time understanding.

Of course, the results speak for themselves, if you compare Roman's time with Chelsea to the horrific seasons Arsenal has endured in the same time period. Ain't life a B.

 

[Hermiod]

^And what, exactly, is Chelsea's "business plan" ? Chelsea FC don't have one penny to spend of their own, it all comes from one guy.

You waffle on about "winning". What has your "business plan" done for you lately ? All it's done is see you trail in Manchester United's shadow just like everyone else. The only winners at Chelsea have been Mourinho, Baron Greenback and Scolari. Fail and then get a nice pay off when you get sacked.

Oh, and as for French misfits - Malouda anyone ?

 

[Garak]

Yup, jealous and bitter. It couldn't be more clear even if it was a headbutt in the face from Adebayor.

 

[Hermiod]

Yup, jealous and bitter. It couldn't be more clear even if it was a headbutt in the face from Adebayor.

Yeah, I'm jealous of the most hated club in world football. It couldn't be more clear if I went up to a TV camera and shouted it in the cameraman's face.

Oh, wait, that was Drogba.

 

[Garak]

Oh noes! Calling a disgraceful referee a disgrace!

At least get on him for his terrible diving and play acting, not something minor like that.

We love that you hate us, just means we're doing something right. Like winning.

 

[Hermiod]

Oh noes! Calling a disgraceful referee a disgrace!

Are you sure that's what he was talking about ? Maybe he was angry that nobody passed the ball past the half-way line during the first leg and that's why you lost.

Fact is, Chelsea put themselves in that position by going to Barca with no intention to win the game or even score.

At least get on him for his terrible diving and play acting, not something minor like that.

We'll see if UEFA think it's minor.

We love that you hate us, just means we're doing something right. Like winning.

Again, winning what ?

 

[Garak]

Are you sure that's what he was talking about ? Maybe he was angry that nobody passed the ball past the half-way line during the first leg and that's why you lost.

Yeah, that's what he was doing.

Fact is, Chelsea put themselves in that position by going to Barca with no intention to win the game or even score.

Coming back home from Barca tied nil nil is a pretty good position to be in, any one in their right mind would take that result. They did sit back too much in the 2nd leg though and didn't bury their few chances, and probably deserved the loss. What can you do.

We'll see if UEFA think it's minor.

Like anyone should give a fuck what UEFA and Platini's group of thugs think.

Again, winning what ?

Your denial of the success of the Abramovich regime only serves to highlight your numerous deficiencies as a man. Much like your love of wrestling.

 

[Hermiod]

Coming back home from Barca tied nil nil is a pretty good position to be in, any one in their right mind would take that result. They did sit back too much in the 2nd leg though and didn't bury their few chances, and probably deserved the loss. What can you do.

Score in the first leg. Any first leg result that ends with the away side not scoring is only good for the home team. There's a reason why such emphasis is placed upon away goals.

You'd think after all the money you'd spent on managers you might have found one who could teach you that.

Your denial of the success of the Abramovich regime only serves to highlight your numerous deficiencies as a man. Much like your love of wrestling.

Your inability to see facts highlights yours. All that money and no Champions League, no league title for three years. Your waffle about "winning at all costs" doesn't work when you do not win the big trophies.

 

[the 4th hanson bro]

Your denial of the success of the Abramovich regime only serves to highlight your numerous deficiencies as a man.

Your inability to see facts highlights yours.

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Now that everybody knows you find each other deficient as a man, let's stay on the topic and leave each other's perceived deficiencies out of it, OK?

 

[Garak]

Again with the money. Too funny, you Euros do make me laugh.

All I can say is Chelsea under the Abramovich regime has been a resounding success when compared to what is essentially a mid table team that can only be described as "The Great Pretenders", ie. Arsenal. I know it kills you inside that the "most hated team in the world" has been winning more than Arsenal these days, but you should really try to not make it so blatantly obvious.

 

[Garak]

Dang, we got the ref.

Done and done.

 

[the 4th hanson bro]

He hasn't blown the play down, yet.

 

[Hermiod]

Now that everybody knows you find each other deficient as a man, let's stay on the topic and leave each other's perceived deficiencies out of it, OK?

What topic ? That some people think their personal dislike of professional wrestling is more important than a legally binding contract ? I think we've already explored that one as far as it's worth exploring.

I'm not entirely happy with the way WWE's behaving here either. The McMahon vs "Kroenke" match on Raw tonight is really not a good idea.

 

[DBR]

An interesting take on the issue from Sports Illustrated.

Reads to me like that SI author feels the same as most of the people in this thread when it comes to his view of wrastlin', and the article doesn't paint McMahon in very flattering colours. The guy comes across as a loud bully to me, and I don't believe the words that come out of his mouth--they all seemed wrapped in bullshit to sell his product, the article summed my thoughts up nicely.

But who is right and wrong aside, how could Kroenke and Co. not have accounted for the possibility of both the Avalanche and Nuggets not going deep in the playoffs, if that is the case?! I mean, it would be a pretty big fucking oversight! You don't mess with your bread and butter--it makes me wonder if they have a bunch of halfwits in the front office. Unless of course there's more to the story here...as mentioned, something like a clause giving either home team preference if they advance far enough and need the venue.

 

[Timby]

But who is right and wrong aside, how could Kroenke and Co. not have accounted for the possibility of both the Avalanche and Nuggets not going deep in the playoffs, if that is the case?!

If anyone had thought to account for the possibility of the Avalanche making the playoffs this year, much less going deep into them, that would have been a mark of incompetence.

 

[OptimusPete]

Honestly, comparing wrestling to a bonafide sport. Don't make me laugh. Ha. Ha. Ha.

Why not ? Sounds like you need a good laugh. Maybe then you'd lighten up and let people enjoy things that don't harm you in any way whatsoever.

I am laughing, in case you hadn't noticed! How can you not laugh at wrestling and its fans?

What an odd attitude for a STAR TREK fan of all people to display .


Also for the record Arsenal and Chelsea are both shit.