How anybody can think prescripted results equal athletic competition I will never know.
WWE vs. NBA
- Thread starter DarkHelmet
- Start date
You know ... while I think professional wrestling is one of the most hugely retarded things I've ever seen (speaking as someone who watched it when he was a child, in the mid-to-late '80s), I do have to admit that the entire onus of this situation rests upon Stan Kroenke and the Pepsi Center. Contracts were apparently signed long ago, and it's really up to Pepsi Center management to calculate possible playoff matchups on their calendar against already-booked events. The NBA did the rightful thing by telling the Nuggets, "We have an event, your responsibility is to provide the arena, figure it out yourselves."
I am amused by Vince McMahon trying to make himself into a martyr throughout all of this, though.
I am amused by Vince McMahon trying to make himself into a martyr throughout all of this, though.
So, has anyone come up with a good reason why WWE is in the wrong other than that they personally don't like professional wrestling ?
Is it because WWE had problems with steroids a couple of years ago ? No "real" sport has that problem. Nope.
Garak's logic seems to be "I don't like Hermiod or his choice of football team, so I'll libel their manager, that'll prove why WWE's in the wrong!"
He should go to law school.
You know ... while I think professional wrestling is one of the most hugely retarded things I've ever seen (speaking as someone who watched it when he was a child, in the mid-to-late '80s), I do have to admit that the entire onus of this situation rests upon Stan Kroenke and the Pepsi Center. Contracts were apparently signed long ago, and it's really up to Pepsi Center management to calculate possible playoff matchups on their calendar against already-booked events. The NBA did the rightful thing by telling the Nuggets, "We have an event, your responsibility is to provide the arena, figure it out yourselves."
I am amused by Vince McMahon trying to make himself into a martyr throughout all of this, though.
Agree 100%
I've seen better acting in porn than I have in WWE fights.
Anyway, this thread isn't about the legitimacy of wrestling, so saying how much you think it's fake is completely redundant. The very fact that WWE pulls more fans than most professional sports around the world should give you an idea of what you're calling "retarded".
So back to the thread at hand, which is about the battle between WWE and the Nuggets. The Nuggets recently tried to strike a deal with the WWE to film RAW on the sunday and have it air on monday, only they put a big stipulation to this, in the form of a statement that was written by Stan Kroenke (the owner of the Pepsi Centre). The statement, which would be televised at the end of WWE RAW and is apparently what is said by WWE Chairman Vince McMahon reads: "By all accounts, Mr. (Stanley) Kroenke is one of the most respected professional sports team owners in the world.”
It goes on to read: “The professional way he and his staff good-naturedly handled this conflict gives further testament to the type of business leader he is."
The press release was sent to the website TMZ, most probably released by someone within the WWE for this completely stupid attempt of trying to make peace with WWE.
The full article is here: http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/0521_wwe_nuggets_wm.pdf
So back to the thread at hand, which is about the battle between WWE and the Nuggets. The Nuggets recently tried to strike a deal with the WWE to film RAW on the sunday and have it air on monday, only they put a big stipulation to this, in the form of a statement that was written by Stan Kroenke (the owner of the Pepsi Centre). The statement, which would be televised at the end of WWE RAW and is apparently what is said by WWE Chairman Vince McMahon reads: "By all accounts, Mr. (Stanley) Kroenke is one of the most respected professional sports team owners in the world.”
It goes on to read: “The professional way he and his staff good-naturedly handled this conflict gives further testament to the type of business leader he is."
The press release was sent to the website TMZ, most probably released by someone within the WWE for this completely stupid attempt of trying to make peace with WWE.
The full article is here: http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/0521_wwe_nuggets_wm.pdf
Congratulations, in your frantic rush to defend professional wrestling you completely missed the part where I said that WWE was in the right and Stan Kroenke / Pepsi Center had screwed up.
It's not that they're necessarily wrong. It's that there is a conflict. When looking at resolving the conflict, one is for the pride of the city of Denver and would dramatically affect the balance of the tournament if things were changed. The other is purely an entertainment event consisting significantly of outsiders and could be changed to another venue.
Granted, it sucks that there's a conflict, but it makes more sense to favor the NBA here.
If anybody screwed up it was the Nuggets themselves. Who do they think they are, playing in the Western Conference Finals? 
If you had said in August that the Nuggets would be hosting Conference Finals games, most people would have laughed at you, especially before the season started.
Since Kroenke owns the Pepsi Center and the Nuggets, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a "contingency clause" in the contract that gives the Nuggets (or Avs for that matter) priority in the event of a double booking and playoff game.
While the league told Kroenke and the Nuggets to "figure it out", back to back games would not work for a couple of reasons:
Conference Finals games are played every other night with each conference playing on alternating nights. Back to back games would mean one or both games wouldn't get national coverage. Advertising rates are probably set based on national versus regional coverage. Dropping from national to regional coverage would mean reduced ad revenues to the networks and the league (if they take a cut)
The dates for the games weren't set until the semifinals were decided.
To expect a business to hold a solid month unbookable on the off chance that a team who wasn't expected to get that far and who's had no playoff success as currently built actually found themselves in the Conference Finals is a bit unreasonable.
The same thing would have happened if it were a monster truck rally, Dora the Explorer and the Pirate Adventure, or The Wiggles double booked with the Nuggets.
If you had said in August that the Nuggets would be hosting Conference Finals games, most people would have laughed at you, especially before the season started.
Since Kroenke owns the Pepsi Center and the Nuggets, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a "contingency clause" in the contract that gives the Nuggets (or Avs for that matter) priority in the event of a double booking and playoff game.
While the league told Kroenke and the Nuggets to "figure it out", back to back games would not work for a couple of reasons:
Conference Finals games are played every other night with each conference playing on alternating nights. Back to back games would mean one or both games wouldn't get national coverage. Advertising rates are probably set based on national versus regional coverage. Dropping from national to regional coverage would mean reduced ad revenues to the networks and the league (if they take a cut)
The dates for the games weren't set until the semifinals were decided.
To expect a business to hold a solid month unbookable on the off chance that a team who wasn't expected to get that far and who's had no playoff success as currently built actually found themselves in the Conference Finals is a bit unreasonable.
The same thing would have happened if it were a monster truck rally, Dora the Explorer and the Pirate Adventure, or The Wiggles double booked with the Nuggets.
Professional wrestling is the story of our lives played out in sweat and blood.
Basketball is a bunch of overpaid guys throwing a ball at a hoop.
What is stupider? Shouldn't that be obvious. What sane person pays actual money to watch people throw a ball into a hoop?
Baseball, I could understand, maybe. But Basketball is a child's game. It's like watching professional lawn darts, only substantially less exciting.
Basketball is a bunch of overpaid guys throwing a ball at a hoop.
What is stupider? Shouldn't that be obvious. What sane person pays actual money to watch people throw a ball into a hoop?
Baseball, I could understand, maybe. But Basketball is a child's game. It's like watching professional lawn darts, only substantially less exciting.
Oh, I saw it. I'm just unsure as to why you had to have a cheap swipe at wrestling. I could reduce Basketball to a one minute game played by overpaid rapists and wannabe gangsters, I chose not to.
I'm in the middle here because another sporting enterprise Kroenke owns a significant chunk of, as Garak not so subtly pointed out, is Arsenal FC. Helps me be a bit more objective than some in this thread.
The same reason you have to have a cheap swipe at me in any thread that pops up in Moderator Actions.
You'd still be wrong though, and probably look foolish whilst doing it.
Honestly, comparing wrestling to a bonafide sport. Don't make me laugh. Ha. Ha. Ha.
How do you feel about Stan Kroenke being more interested in lining his pockets than in Arsenal actually winning something?
Strange Garak, you laugh at comparing wrestling to a "bonafide sport". Even though wrestling is scripted, and the WWE creative team know the outcome to a match, it doesn't make the actual wrestling, and the fact that wrestlers still put their lives and careers on the line in each match, any less fake that it does another sport. Wrestling to me, is more of a soap opera for men, and I'm a wrestling fan.
Also, for the wrestling fans, you'll be happy to know that the leeches of wrestling, TNA, is headed all the way to Colorado to try double their fanbase to a whole one hundred people.
TNA makes me laugh, not only do they take wrestlers that have been discarded, fired, or ran down enough that they are no longer any use to any other company (I would name names, but I'd have to go through 90% of their roster), but they try to take fans in the lamest way ever. I love how TNA's version of Captain Janeway seems to be under the illusion that TNA as the best fan experience in pro wrestling. Yeah sure, being sat in a room with 200 other fans, comapired to WWE's major events where you're sat with 60,000+ other fans, not to mention the fact she seems to be under the impression that WWE intentionally pulled out because and that had other options.
Also, for the wrestling fans, you'll be happy to know that the leeches of wrestling, TNA, is headed all the way to Colorado to try double their fanbase to a whole one hundred people.
TNA makes me laugh, not only do they take wrestlers that have been discarded, fired, or ran down enough that they are no longer any use to any other company (I would name names, but I'd have to go through 90% of their roster), but they try to take fans in the lamest way ever. I love how TNA's version of Captain Janeway seems to be under the illusion that TNA as the best fan experience in pro wrestling. Yeah sure, being sat in a room with 200 other fans, comapired to WWE's major events where you're sat with 60,000+ other fans, not to mention the fact she seems to be under the impression that WWE intentionally pulled out because and that had other options.
Why not ? Sounds like you need a good laugh. Maybe then you'd lighten up and let people enjoy things that don't harm you in any way whatsoever.
What ? Like Abramovic did when bought up those gas rights cheap ?
No, I can't claim Abramovic is profiteering like Kroenke might be. For starters, when did Chelsea ever make a profit ? Usually it's more like the kind of record losses Leeds United would find terrifying. Then there's the season before Abramovic turned up where the club nearly went out of business based purely on the result of their game against Liverpool on the last day of the season.
And then look at all the money he's pissed away in the last couple of years for nothing. Still, at least the Not So Special One, Baron Greenback, Scolari and Hiddink are happy counting the money Abramovic paid them to not work for Chelsea anymore.
Still, it's not like anyone's around to see it for those big Champions League nights with your invisible fans who apparently didn't hear the radio ads for tickets.
The same reason you have to have a cheap swipe at me in any thread that pops up in Moderator Actions.
I'll tell you what, I'll save myself the need. I do not think you do a very good job in MA. In my opinion, you inflame situations rather than help see them resolved in an amicable manner. You lock threads that aren't finished and just leave the person starting them more angry than they were when they started them and give them no reason not to repeat the behaviour they exhibited to cause the warning they're protesting in the first place. Your reasons for closing the threads are often nitpicky or just downright rude. There are a few more even-handed moderators who are far more likely to hear both sides of a case and make a fair decision.
There, I've said what I've got to say. You know where I stand so I have no reason to comment on your behaviour in MA again. Fair enough ?
I'll tell you what, I'll save myself the need. .....There, I've said what I've got to say. You know where I stand so I have no reason to comment on your behaviour in MA again. Fair enough ?The same reason you have to have a cheap swipe at me in any thread that pops up in Moderator Actions.
Comments about moderator/administrator action should go to PM to the mod/admin in question or Bonz and/or Spiff. Thanks.
From the Denver sports cartoonist:
Last edited:
An interesting take on the issue from Sports Illustrated.
JKTim asked, I answered.
That's besides the point, I was simply voicing my opinion on wrestling as it is today. It doesn't matter what you class it as, does jumping off a 4 foot turnbuckle on to somebody make it any less real than it is? No. Does fall of 20 foot ladders and steel cages make it any less real? No. Sure they add dramatic effect with fake blood and storylines, but it doesn't mean the wrestlers in the ring do anything less than give 100%, it doesn't mean that because it's scripted, it doesn't mean they don't get hurt.
To me, it's not really a sport, but it's entertainment. Comparing a scripted wrestling match to some guys running up and down a court for ages, or formula one cars going around the same curcuit 50+ times is completely pointless, people will have their views on it, others will have different.
