I don't think Vulcan [SPOILERS]

[Lynx]

Aside from Spock, what important thing has Vulcan given us?



Alternat-



Since this timeline is the one we're going to be seeing and not the other one, you can either accept it or not. Watch the new stuff or watch the old stuff that you've already seen dozens of times. Not one person is saying this is how it "should have been" or "should be". No one is saying "this is right and Roddenberry was wrong". We're saying "this is the way it is" because...well...it is.



Because nothing was shown on screen to back a story like this up until now. Canon is what's shown on screen. If someone wrote a book with the same plot at STXI in 2003 it would've been rejected based on canon. Now, not so much. Canon changed. Again, you can accept this and enjoy the movie for what it is (a reboot), or continue to not understand what this movie was and watch STIII subplot of Uhura on Vulcan and shout out how that is evidence that JJ is the devil.

I don't think JJ is the devil. I think he has made a decent movie which could have been even better if it hadn't been for some obvious screw-ups, including the meaningless destruction of Vulcan, something which has created a time paradox.

And yes, I will remain in the original timeline, even if it mean that I have to re-watch old series and movies and re-read the same old books over and over and over again.

I already have 7 seasons of TNG and 3 seasons of Voyager (for certain reasons I only watch seasons 1-3 of Voyager) on DVD. If I buy all seasons of DS9, all seasons of TOS plus the 6 TOS movies, then I will have a lot of stuff to watch when I wait for a new series set in the 24th century or beyond.

You exist here!
The Prophets to Sisko in DS9:s pilot episode "Emissary

Are you being Dense on purpose because I can't believe you just can't understand what is being said, EVEN WITH FUCKING CHARTS AND GRAPHS...


Even AFTER I POSTED A NIFTY VIDEO LINK...

Imagining the Tenth Dimension
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjsgoXvnStY

It helps you understand the Theory we are dealing with....

I've seen the charts.

I've seen the graphs.

I've seen the video (really good)

I've seen the light! No wait, that was too dramatic!

No, honestly I do understand the theory we're dealing with.

And I guess that some of the prophets from DS9 can step up in front of me and point at some place in the Original timeline and say "You exist here!" because that's what I'm doing.

Or more likely in my case, create another Star Trek universe based on the original timeline with some minor changes I find appropriate.

 

[Qonos]

I don't think JJ is the devil. I think he has made a decent movie which could have been even better if it hadn't been for some obvious screw-ups, including the meaningless destruction of Vulcan, something which has created a time paradox.

And yes, I will remain in the original timeline, even if it mean that I have to re-watch old series and movies and re-read the same old books over and over and over again.

I already have 7 seasons of TNG and 3 seasons of Voyager (for certain reasons I only watch seasons 1-3 of Voyager) on DVD. If I buy all seasons of DS9, all seasons of TOS plus the 6 TOS movies, then I will have a lot of stuff to watch when I wait for a new series set in the 24th century or beyond.

You exist here!
The Prophets to Sisko in DS9:s pilot episode "Emissary

Are you being Dense on purpose because I can't believe you just can't understand what is being said, EVEN WITH FUCKING CHARTS AND GRAPHS...


Even AFTER I POSTED A NIFTY VIDEO LINK...

Imagining the Tenth Dimension
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjsgoXvnStY

It helps you understand the Theory we are dealing with....

I've seen the charts.

I've seen the graphs.

I've seen the video (really good)

I've seen the light! No wait, that was too dramatic!

No, honestly I do understand the theory we're dealing with.

And I guess that some of the prophets from DS9 can step up in front of me and point at some place in the Original timeline and say "You exist here!" because that's what I'm doing.

Or more likely in my case, create another Star Trek universe based on the original timeline with some minor changes I find appropriate.

Points Lynx to MS Works

Open up you word processor and have a ball. You know you are allowed to write your own stories as long as you don't try and make money of them.

It's called Fan fiction It kept Trek alive during the 70's

 

[Lynx]

Are you being Dense on purpose because I can't believe you just can't understand what is being said, EVEN WITH FUCKING CHARTS AND GRAPHS...


Even AFTER I POSTED A NIFTY VIDEO LINK...

Imagining the Tenth Dimension
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjsgoXvnStY

It helps you understand the Theory we are dealing with....

I've seen the charts.

I've seen the graphs.

I've seen the video (really good)

I've seen the light! No wait, that was too dramatic!

No, honestly I do understand the theory we're dealing with.

And I guess that some of the prophets from DS9 can step up in front of me and point at some place in the Original timeline and say "You exist here!" because that's what I'm doing.

Or more likely in my case, create another Star Trek universe based on the original timeline with some minor changes I find appropriate.

Points Lynx to MS Works

Open up you word processor and have a ball. You know you are allowed to write your own stories as long as you don't try and make money of them.

It's called Fan fiction It kept Trek alive during the 70's

I have actually written two stories which are published on the website I'm doing.

I do have some more stories "in the can". I just have to sort out some details and create proper endings to them.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Vulcan is actually a very important place in the Star Trek universe.

Aside from Spock, what important thing has Vulcan given us?



Alternat-



Since this timeline is the one we're going to be seeing and not the other one, you can either accept it or not. Watch the new stuff or watch the old stuff that you've already seen dozens of times. Not one person is saying this is how it "should have been" or "should be". No one is saying "this is right and Roddenberry was wrong". We're saying "this is the way it is" because...well...it is.

If I had written a similar story and sent it to PocketBooks some years ago, the script would have been returned with a reminder about how to NOT violate existing Star Trek canon.

Because nothing was shown on screen to back a story like this up until now. Canon is what's shown on screen. If someone wrote a book with the same plot at STXI in 2003 it would've been rejected based on canon. Now, not so much. Canon changed. Again, you can accept this and enjoy the movie for what it is (a reboot), or continue to not understand what this movie was and watch STIII subplot of Uhura on Vulcan and shout out how that is evidence that JJ is the devil.

I don't think JJ is the devil. I think he has made a decent movie which could have been even better if it hadn't been for some obvious screw-ups, including the meaningless destruction of Vulcan, something which has created a time paradox.

And yes, I will remain in the original timeline, even if it mean that I have to re-watch old series and movies and re-read the same old books over and over and over again.

I already have 7 seasons of TNG and 3 seasons of Voyager (for certain reasons I only watch seasons 1-3 of Voyager) on DVD. If I buy all seasons of DS9, all seasons of TOS plus the 6 TOS movies, then I will have a lot of stuff to watch when I wait for a new series set in the 24th century or beyond.

You exist here!
The Prophets to Sisko in DS9:s pilot episode "Emissary

What I find funny about that last statement is that Sisko at the end learned NOT to stay stuck in the past and move on, deal with his actual present, the changed circumstances in his life. Jennifer was no more. he kept denying it for years until he finally learned to let her go...
Come on... do the same with Vulcan, nevermind the unusual causality behind it's demise.

 

[Lynx]

Aside from Spock, what important thing has Vulcan given us?



Alternat-



Since this timeline is the one we're going to be seeing and not the other one, you can either accept it or not. Watch the new stuff or watch the old stuff that you've already seen dozens of times. Not one person is saying this is how it "should have been" or "should be". No one is saying "this is right and Roddenberry was wrong". We're saying "this is the way it is" because...well...it is.



Because nothing was shown on screen to back a story like this up until now. Canon is what's shown on screen. If someone wrote a book with the same plot at STXI in 2003 it would've been rejected based on canon. Now, not so much. Canon changed. Again, you can accept this and enjoy the movie for what it is (a reboot), or continue to not understand what this movie was and watch STIII subplot of Uhura on Vulcan and shout out how that is evidence that JJ is the devil.

I don't think JJ is the devil. I think he has made a decent movie which could have been even better if it hadn't been for some obvious screw-ups, including the meaningless destruction of Vulcan, something which has created a time paradox.

And yes, I will remain in the original timeline, even if it mean that I have to re-watch old series and movies and re-read the same old books over and over and over again.

I already have 7 seasons of TNG and 3 seasons of Voyager (for certain reasons I only watch seasons 1-3 of Voyager) on DVD. If I buy all seasons of DS9, all seasons of TOS plus the 6 TOS movies, then I will have a lot of stuff to watch when I wait for a new series set in the 24th century or beyond.

You exist here!
The Prophets to Sisko in DS9:s pilot episode "Emissary

What I find funny about that last statement is that Sisko at the end learned NOT to stay stuck in the past and move on, deal with his actual present, the changed circumstances in his life. Jennifer was no more. he kept denying it for years until he finally learned to let her go...
Come on... do the same with Vulcan, nevermind the unusual causality behind it's demise.

Yes, I know that. I was just thinking of the circumstances while Sisko was "existing there" and I did find the quote somewhat appropriate to my own situation.

There are some reasons as well why I'm existing "there" which is somehere in seasons 1-3 of Voyager for me. Or to make it short, there have been too many dissapointments with Star Trek in the recent years, too much character destruction and stupid decisions which have ruined all the fun which used to be.

If I do like Sisko and break loose from that place in linear time, then I will doing that by creating my own Star Trek universe where Vulcan still exists and where characters like Kes and Janeway are not destroyed or killed off.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

This is my attempt to explain the timeline changes, it's pretty shit but that's cos I threw it together in 1 minute:

 

[MadBaggins]

That is teh best graph on the subject i have ever seen.

However, I still think there is a way for Vulcan to have survived. "Life finds a way."

 

[Squiggy]

"Life" perhaps. "Planets", no.

 

[MadBaggins]

So you concede that many Vulcans could have survived. Interesting.

 

[RoJoHen]

Many Vulcans did survive. The ones that weren't on Vulcan!

 

[Jeri]

I forget -- is this the thread where it comes out from the Q&A that Roberto Orci said the 10,000 Vulcans are from the dying planet -- and not from off world?

Because if it's not, Roberto Orci said the 10,000 Vulcans are ones who got off the dying planet, and not off worlders.

Apparently, a lot of Vulcans keep small George Jetson -like personal space vehicles (like humans keep Piper Cherokees). Out of 8 billion Vulcans, only 10,000 had vehicles and time to escape.

 

[pookha]

or more like the number who could get to cargo ships ect..if they had more time more
probably could have been saved.

i could see some captain taking his ship and loading up the children at the academies while others perhaps went after priests.. the staff at a hospital ect.

and it was a rough estimate right after it happened when spock was dealing with controlling a lot of deep emotions.

 

[archeryguy1701]

So you concede that many Vulcans could have survived. Interesting.

Even if there are a million Vulcans still out there, that is still a tiny number. Los Angeles contains almost 4 million people and Ney York City has 8 million. Could the population be smaller? Sure, anything in the low millions is still really low.

 

[Jeri]

Probably a lot of them left before there were only a few seconds left; the planet was in a scarey state before that. They aren't dummies; they could figure it was a good time to visit relatives off world.

 

[Squiggy]

So you concede that many Vulcans could have survived. Interesting.

Since I never said otherwise...and it was explicitly stated in the movie that 10,000 survived (not to mention the millions of off-worlders), I concede nothing.

Are you sure you watched Star Trek and not The Soloist or something? I really don't think you saw the same movie we all did.

 

[Lynx]

Vulcan exists in the original timeline.

 

[RoJoHen]

Vulcan exists in the original timeline.

Uh-huh, and?

 

[The rapture]

Abrams said that Vulcan was destroyed. Sorry.

 

[MadBaggins]

He might be saying that to throw people off so that it's a surprise in the sequel when Vulcan comes back inverted.

 

[archeryguy1701]

"Inverted"?