Bob Orci Answers Questions From Posters at TrekMovie.com
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Over at Memory Alpha, they had written the same thing. the 10,000 was on the world, and that did not include off-worlders (that is why I suggested possible other colonies?).
How Memory Alpha knew that before today I am not sure.
Over at Memory Alpha, they had written the same thing. the 10,000 was on the world, and that did not include off-worlders (that is why I suggested possible other colonies?).
How Memory Alpha knew that before today I am not sure.
Re: Boborci seemingly settles Vulcan debate
There is evidence in the human genome that our species once sprang back from a demographic collapse that knocked the population down to 10,000... but if there's sufficient pressure on a population and the population is dispersed enough, then yes, it does make sense to say the species is endangered.
There is evidence in the human genome that our species once sprang back from a demographic collapse that knocked the population down to 10,000... but if there's sufficient pressure on a population and the population is dispersed enough, then yes, it does make sense to say the species is endangered.
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Since this and other questions answered by Bob Orci during the Q&A sesion are being discussed already in the other thread, why don't I merge this with that? Hang onto your pointy ears...
Re: Boborci seemingly settles Vulcan debate
I was saying if that was the sum total of all Vulcans living, period. And I really don't buy that they had no colonies, anywhere, and no expats. Hell, there are probably more than 10,000 Brits living abroad in the U.S. alone.
Spock's endangered species comment is still valid, even if there are more Vulcans offworld than he could count. With the population scattered all over, and given their seven year mating cycle, they would have a hard time avoiding gradual population loss through lack of breeding. They really should touch on this at some point, how all the Vulcans had to basically drop what they were doing and go settle on Spock's "Planet O' Procreation."
Anyway, Star Trek is always throwing around wildly high or low numbers for melodramatic purposes (I still cringe at the ridiculously high battle losses in the Dominion War eps of DS9.)
I was saying if that was the sum total of all Vulcans living, period. And I really don't buy that they had no colonies, anywhere, and no expats. Hell, there are probably more than 10,000 Brits living abroad in the U.S. alone.
Spock's endangered species comment is still valid, even if there are more Vulcans offworld than he could count. With the population scattered all over, and given their seven year mating cycle, they would have a hard time avoiding gradual population loss through lack of breeding. They really should touch on this at some point, how all the Vulcans had to basically drop what they were doing and go settle on Spock's "Planet O' Procreation."
Anyway, Star Trek is always throwing around wildly high or low numbers for melodramatic purposes (I still cringe at the ridiculously high battle losses in the Dominion War eps of DS9.)
It's also possible that the Vulcans have some different conceptions of citizenship than is the norm in the "West", which I'll vague define as USA-UK-Canada. When I lived in Europe, I was still Canadian, and my friend from Portland living in TO is still American...
...but Japan (for example) does not consider those born out of country to be Japanese. They have a different term for them. Race-relatives is how a friend of mine translated it for me, but that was a while ago, and my memory isn't up to the task of speaking as an authority on this. Just throwing it out there as a possibility - "Vulcan" might mean something to them other than the DNA.
...but Japan (for example) does not consider those born out of country to be Japanese. They have a different term for them. Race-relatives is how a friend of mine translated it for me, but that was a while ago, and my memory isn't up to the task of speaking as an authority on this. Just throwing it out there as a possibility - "Vulcan" might mean something to them other than the DNA.
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And they will all be lawyers, doctors, and jewelers.
Somehow, I do not think the movie going public wants to see the 6 HOUR movie it would take to have every fanboy question answered onscreen.Yeah guys, this should have been explained in the movie. This is really sloppy
Personally, I am thankful we got a great 2 HOUR ride which is making enough money for more Trek from Paramount.
I nominate the canonization of Bob Orci to sainthood for putting up with all the fanboys' questions.
I posted about this on the first page of this thread. DS9's Robert Hewitt Wolfe did this in usenet back during DS9. He was pretty cool and very patient with us -- a bad lot we were generally... the usenet Trekkies
. I got to chat with him as well. he was a lot of fun, as well. gave as good as he got (once jokingly offered to bitchslap a guy after a particularly trying session). of course, the said poster made the most of it. 
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Somehow, I do not think the movie going public wants to see the 6 HOUR movie it would take to have every fanboy question answered onscreen.Yeah guys, this should have been explained in the movie. This is really sloppy
Personally, I am thankful we got a great 2 HOUR ride which is making enough money for more Trek from Paramount.
I nominate the canonization of Bob Orci to sainthood for putting up with all the fanboys' questions.
Strawman argument, I never said the movie should be six hours nor should every little nitpick being addressed. The fate of the entire Vulcan species is not a minor nitpick or a fanboy grief, it's a serious part of the plot and should be addressed in as complete a manner as time allows. It's sloppy writing, plain and simple.
Re: Boborci seemingly settles Vulcan debate
they came to earth, didn't they?
or is that no longer true in this timeline?
ouch, head hurts!
they came to earth, didn't they?
or is that no longer true in this timeline?
ouch, head hurts!
Oh for heaven's sake, Feofilakt, it's not a documentary, and this isn't an important fact; it's a minor detail. The important thing is that Spock and the Vulcan people have suffered a terrible loss. Isn't the past ten years of Trek tv enough to prove that extended expository detail is deadly dull?
Somebody says, "10,000 seems low," and he says "Sure. Let's make it X then," and some people act like he's a witness caught giving false testimony. But all he's doing is what Trek fans have done since the beginning, filling in the blanks with explanations that fit what we have seen on screen. Nobody made him do this, he didn't have to explain himself to the small minority of nitpickers, he's just being a good - and incredible patient - guy.
There are ways of rendering visual images that show more than just ten thousand vulcans escaping the planet. How about a scattered exodus shot? I am sure a rag-tag fleet of ships attempting to escape from system and the resulting fleet of colony based vessels trying to aid the rest of the Vulcans with some Federation aid would show that more than ten thousand survived and would not simply be verbal fluff, but a powerful scene that shows the importance of the planet being destroyed and treats the death of the Vulcans in a manner that would appease fans.
Instead we have useless action shots (well, not all of them were useless) and the destruction of Vulcan rendered in a manner approaching cavalier. I'm not sure if it was just his writing or the pressure from execs, but the job is sloppy. Star Trek or not I will call a bad writing job when I see it, and this was pretty bad.
So then you've never liked Star Trek?
It is YOUR OPINION that "It's sloppy writing, plain and simple."
Somehow, I do not think the movie going public wants to see the 6 HOUR movie it would take to have every fanboy question answered onscreen.Yeah guys, this should have been explained in the movie. This is really sloppy
Personally, I am thankful we got a great 2 HOUR ride which is making enough money for more Trek from Paramount.
I nominate the canonization of Bob Orci to sainthood for putting up with all the fanboys' questions.
Strawman argument, I never said the movie should be six hours nor should every little nitpick being addressed. The fate of the entire Vulcan species is not a minor nitpick or a fanboy grief, it's a serious part of the plot and should be addressed in as complete a manner as time allows. It's sloppy writing, plain and simple.
It is MY OPINION that it is a fanboy complaint, plain and simple.
Yeah, but only for the last five thousand years or so.
It gives you a sense of how completely 'round-the-bend someone would have to be to tick Orci off.
