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24: D7: 6:00AM - 8:00AM. Discussion and Spoilers. SEASON FINALE!
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I thought that the finale last night was excellent! I found the season as a whole to be good.
What was most interesting to me was the way Kim acted EXACTLY like her dad. For example yelling "DAMMIT!", chasing after the bad guy, and when Renee said "you're injured, let's get you some help," she totally ignored it and said, "no, this laptop contains the information we need!" She was totally like Jack in this episode, and it was great.
I like the way they handled Tony. I didn't buy that he really was angry at the government and wanted to kill thousands of people to prove some point about security. But it was all for personal revenge, which makes a lot of sense for his character.
Renee has been turning into a mini-Jack all season, and it seems to have come to a head in her final scene. I really don't know what she decided to do.
I see the show possibly going a few different ways from here. One possibility is that Jack fully recovers and the show goes on as normal. But I also think it's highly likely that Kim or Renee become more central to the show and either take over Jack's place because he is not fully recovered from the pathogen, or one of them become's Jack's new partner. And I mean a REAL partner, one that is just as badass as Jack.
Or CTU reopens with Jack as director and Renee and Kim as field agents. Of course Chloe and Miles will be back and Janice as well. I'm joking about this, but honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it happened!
What was most interesting to me was the way Kim acted EXACTLY like her dad. For example yelling "DAMMIT!", chasing after the bad guy, and when Renee said "you're injured, let's get you some help," she totally ignored it and said, "no, this laptop contains the information we need!" She was totally like Jack in this episode, and it was great.
I like the way they handled Tony. I didn't buy that he really was angry at the government and wanted to kill thousands of people to prove some point about security. But it was all for personal revenge, which makes a lot of sense for his character.
Renee has been turning into a mini-Jack all season, and it seems to have come to a head in her final scene. I really don't know what she decided to do.
I see the show possibly going a few different ways from here. One possibility is that Jack fully recovers and the show goes on as normal. But I also think it's highly likely that Kim or Renee become more central to the show and either take over Jack's place because he is not fully recovered from the pathogen, or one of them become's Jack's new partner. And I mean a REAL partner, one that is just as badass as Jack.
Or CTU reopens with Jack as director and Renee and Kim as field agents. Of course Chloe and Miles will be back and Janice as well. I'm joking about this, but honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it happened!
Great finale, very decent season, especially compared to Day 6.
Loved what was done with Kim. Every one jokes about her being dumb, but in her very first scene back in Day 1, she's beating her Dad at Computer Chess.
I also really liked that the writers came up with an excellent 'fake' reason for Tony not to kill Jack (because his body contained the pathogen). And he did it all for Michelle, awwwwww.
I almost wish the day had ended with Jack being in a coma, until a cure is found.
Jack [wakes up]: "Umm, what year is it?"
Starfleet Admiral: "Welcome back, Mr Bauer. We've received a distress call and we need your help....."
Loved what was done with Kim. Every one jokes about her being dumb, but in her very first scene back in Day 1, she's beating her Dad at Computer Chess.
I also really liked that the writers came up with an excellent 'fake' reason for Tony not to kill Jack (because his body contained the pathogen). And he did it all for Michelle, awwwwww.
I almost wish the day had ended with Jack being in a coma, until a cure is found.
Jack [wakes up]: "Umm, what year is it?"
Starfleet Admiral: "Welcome back, Mr Bauer. We've received a distress call and we need your help....."
I missed the first hour...but the second hour was pretty good, not the best finale they've done I think that still goes to the season three finale. Tony doing all of this because of Michelle's death was a predictable motivation, I didn't think he was doing this because of a philosphical disagreement. I also had predicted that there was some uber-conspiracy and a head guy responsible for everything about two seasons ago it would have been interesting to see them pull the trigger on that idea back then...drawing it out seems irrelevent.
Renee Walker becoming the new Jack Walker is an idea that I like and would have accepted her becoming the new lead if Jack actually did or does end up dying. Kim wanting to save her dad and acting like him was pretty good.
Cherry Jones was a bright spot all season long...liked her as President Allison Taylor, who discovered that being the President isn't exactly an easy job and she ends up sacrficing her family (much like Jack has over the years along with love interests) for her duty to the country as President is something that I thought was good. The peusdo-cliffhanger annoyed me but I guess we'll find out what the FBI and government are going to do with this Alan Wilson guy after Renee beats the hell out of him. Overall I would say that Day 7 was a big time improvement over Day 6 and Day 5.
Renee Walker becoming the new Jack Walker is an idea that I like and would have accepted her becoming the new lead if Jack actually did or does end up dying. Kim wanting to save her dad and acting like him was pretty good.
Cherry Jones was a bright spot all season long...liked her as President Allison Taylor, who discovered that being the President isn't exactly an easy job and she ends up sacrficing her family (much like Jack has over the years along with love interests) for her duty to the country as President is something that I thought was good. The peusdo-cliffhanger annoyed me but I guess we'll find out what the FBI and government are going to do with this Alan Wilson guy after Renee beats the hell out of him. Overall I would say that Day 7 was a big time improvement over Day 6 and Day 5.
Hours later she's following a man who kidnapped her around like a lost puppy.
Years later she's kidnapping a young girl from a hospital.
So, yeah, she was dumb.
So can we say that after Season 8, Jack is a Born Again Bauer?
Can't see Jack behind-the-scenes in a desk job. Wouldn't mind Renee playing a more central role though.
Can't see Jack behind-the-scenes in a desk job. Wouldn't mind Renee playing a more central role though.
I had to roll my eyes a bit too when they decided to add a few extra rungs to the ladder hierarchy of 24 baddies. I loved the way Tony said "His name is Allan Wilson," as if a collective shudder should flow through the audience as if his very name evokes terror.
Disregarding the fact that the doctors extracted the cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) in a physiologically impossible way, having the fluid removed shouldn't have resulted in a blood-curtling scream from a man who refuses morhine and seems able to handle bullet wounds without a second thought. It isn't any worse than any needle poke. Depending on the amount of fluid removed however, he could have been left with either a splitting headache or his brain herniating down his spinal cord.
Hours later she's following a man who kidnapped her around like a lost puppy.
Years later she's kidnapping a young girl from a hospital.
So, yeah, she was dumb.
In her defense, the kidnapping of the young girl was necessary given the circumstances. She couldn't very well have told the abusive father about the nuclear bomb. Her big mistake was not killing the abusive father in the first episode of the season.
And intense emotional bonding is a known side-effect of kidnapping, though there is no way in heck it would have happened that fast. Still, it's no worse than the stupider amnesia plot, which we all forget about because Terri died in Season 1.
First episode: Average. Second episode: Bad. Season: Bad.
I can see that they were trying to go with more character based drama at the end there, but it didn't work for me at all. Since being infected Jack has been marginalised with Tony and then Agent Freckles getting all of the more interesting action scenes.
I will give them some credit for making Kim more proactive, going after her potential kidnapper, recovering the laptop and suggesting how it could be used to save her father. That wasn't so bad.
I'm not sure why we're supposed to care about Olivia or her parents. The only character in that situation I actually care about is Aaron Pierce, largely because of TNG Ensign Backgroundcharacter nostalgia.
Nice to see Dr. Beckett finally giving in and becoming eeeeeeevil.
As for the season as a whole, this felt like season four all over again. Terrorist attack to distract from another terrorist attack to distract from another larger terrorist attack.
The White House attack, especially, was garbage. Pure, unadulterated garbage.
Tony's motivations don't quite work for me. Michelle was only killed because she knew Jack was still alive after he faked his death and that was inconvenient to those who wanted to frame Jack for killing Palmer. For this, he's willing to kill innocent people ? Don't they have wives, husbands, children, parents, grandparents, friends etc too ?
I agree that the "His name is Alan Wilson" business made no sense. He was just a guy behind a desk until this episode. Shame they killed off the hot evil redhead, though.
I can see that they were trying to go with more character based drama at the end there, but it didn't work for me at all. Since being infected Jack has been marginalised with Tony and then Agent Freckles getting all of the more interesting action scenes.
I will give them some credit for making Kim more proactive, going after her potential kidnapper, recovering the laptop and suggesting how it could be used to save her father. That wasn't so bad.
I'm not sure why we're supposed to care about Olivia or her parents. The only character in that situation I actually care about is Aaron Pierce, largely because of TNG Ensign Backgroundcharacter nostalgia.
Nice to see Dr. Beckett finally giving in and becoming eeeeeeevil.
As for the season as a whole, this felt like season four all over again. Terrorist attack to distract from another terrorist attack to distract from another larger terrorist attack.
The White House attack, especially, was garbage. Pure, unadulterated garbage.
Tony's motivations don't quite work for me. Michelle was only killed because she knew Jack was still alive after he faked his death and that was inconvenient to those who wanted to frame Jack for killing Palmer. For this, he's willing to kill innocent people ? Don't they have wives, husbands, children, parents, grandparents, friends etc too ?
I agree that the "His name is Alan Wilson" business made no sense. He was just a guy behind a desk until this episode. Shame they killed off the hot evil redhead, though.
She could've told the police that the father was abusive.
Instead of, you know, kidnapping the girl.
Getting her boyfriend to beat-up the father.
Stealing the father's car.
Then later:
Allowing her boyfriend to set fire to a police officer driving a car.
Shacking up with the Survivalist and following him into his bunker.
Guy: "Er... OMG! The bomb went off!! Lets go to my bunker!"
Kim: " Deer... Um.... Okay!"
Sorry. Kim was not bright in the first couple of seasons.
I know eh? How many pregnant women would have died from the use of the CIP device or the bioweapon? Hypocritical much? Tony sucks.
I get that he can probably just be written off as insane and as such I'm over-analysing his actions and trying to find logic in them where there is none, but something just doesn't sit right with me.
I agree, it just feels wrong. Perhaps it's just because it's Tony that it doesn't feel right.
I can identify with you. For me, I'd always like the character of Tony... I guess in part because I loved Reiko.....errr.... Michelle.
So to see Tony falling to the dark side, back to the light, then back to the dark... it was hard to follow, let alone accept.
Yet.... it provided a somewhat interesting counterpoint, comparing Jack and Tony's reactions to what has happened over the years. Sort of a poor man's Veljean and Javert, in a loose way. Maybe it's not believable (maybe?!?!? 
), but then the whole show is so over-the-top that the question of credulity should never be brought up.
), but then the whole show is so over-the-top that the question of credulity should never be brought up.