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Thanks JJ, I needed THAT!

Yeah, the bad guy wiped out the sand planet people but at least we got him before he blew up anything important.

No.

The bad man blew up the sand planet, and then was promptly defeated when he tried to duplicate his feat. Defeated by the best of the best despite enormous adversity.

I guess this is the glass is half full crowd viewing life differently than the glass is half empty[i/] crowd.
 
But to you, Admiral, and everyone else who enjoyed the new Star Trek, I have to say that your love and appreciation for what Abrams has accomplished certainly does more of a credit to the optimistic ideals of what Star Trek is all about than the relative "scrooges" such as myself who are still scratching our heads and don't know quite what to think... :p

A very cool statement! I like it. A lot!
 
Nothing like a little light-hearted genocide to brighten your day... and the screen.


Oh God yes. It made my day, I love seeing lots of lives extinguished, it's an aphrodisiac, you know, and why I wanted to see the movie. It was almost as good as that lighthearted episode of TOS where the hippies think they've found Eden, and they all start dying, oh God that cracked me up, and so did "Let that be your last Battlefield" where all those people died and it was all done by computer generated war machines! What a corker! Oh, and the episodes where people died, including some of Kirk's own men, and at the end of the episode they'd be cracking jokes and hamming it up! Wooo! Remember in Star Trek VI where Praxis exploded?! Hell, they weren't human which made it that much more hilarious! Woohoo! What a great day THAT was! And in Star Trek IV where the whale probe was about to tear the hell out of the planet Earth and our guys were living it up in 20th century San Fransisco. It was great that we could all laugh at their antics while certain death was hanging over earth's skies. What fun. :)

J.
 
It would have been the easy route, the expected route to make the movie about the tragedy it didn't.

It made the movie about the triumph of the human spirit and there's nothing wrong with that.
Ignoring a cataclysmic event is not the same as some sort of emotional triumph. Nearly all Vulcan civilization has been wiped out but we immediately need a huge public award ceremony for newly promoted Kirk... it's just tasteless.


Tell that to Princess Leia. She was giving Han and Luke medals days after her home planet blew up . . . .
 
Oh, I just remembered some more great genocide! In "The Trouble with Tribbles", Scotty beamed the entire complement of tribbles from the Enterprise to the klingon ship's engine room! Wow, you KNOW those guys slaughtered the little furballs which started a chain reaction resulting in their mass extinction, but it was funny and everybody laughed. Wow it truy makes the day bright, doesn't it? I'm glad you posted that, Mr. B. It brings up so many great and funny moments in Star Trek, and it's wonderful to see so many consistent similarities to the TOS crew and their actions in this new movie as well. :)

J.
 
It would have been the easy route, the expected route to make the movie about the tragedy it didn't.

It made the movie about the triumph of the human spirit and there's nothing wrong with that.
Ignoring a cataclysmic event is not the same as some sort of emotional triumph. Nearly all Vulcan civilization has been wiped out but we immediately need a huge public award ceremony for newly promoted Kirk... it's just tasteless.


Tell that to Princess Leia. She was giving Han and Luke medals days after her home planet blew up . . . .

Y'know, that's a damned good point! :lol:
 
Speaking as someone who isn't too thrilled with the new movie I have to say - paradoxically - Admiral Kirk, Well done! I enjoyed reading your take on it and perhaps I will warm up to the movie some day. You're quite perceptive.
 
Nonsense. It's infinately more interesting to see how someone turns a tragedy into a triumph rather than seeing them crushed under the weight of said tragedy.
Yeah, the bad guy wiped out the sand planet people but at least we got him before he blew up anything important.

I'm truly sorry you feel that way. Maybe you would have been happier if the ship had been full of men like Matt Decker who folded under the strain of tragedy rather than men like James T. Kirk who excelled in spite of the same tragedy.

Star Trek was a movie about heroes, not victims.
 
And it had some comedy. I'm really getting tired of action/sci-fi movies being so frakking depressing that you need an anti-depression medication to chase the popcorn and soda. Dark Knight was a very meaty movie, but depressing. Sure it had the whole 'one man CAN make a difference' "moral of the story" but it did it in such a depressing way. It didn't make you feel good, or pumped or even excited. You left the theater feeling like someone just hit you in the gut or told you they shot your puppy. Star Wars and Iron Man, made you walk out with head held just a little bit higher, smile just a little bit wider and feel GOOD.

I laughed and enjoyed myself at the movies with Iron Man and Star Trek - funny BOTH are Paramount productions... hmm... hell even the Incredible Hulk made me feel better than Dark Knight.

With all the shitty news and depressing stories lately, people need something more fun or at least a "rollicking adventure".
 
Nothing like a little light-hearted genocide to brighten your day... and the screen.


Oh God yes. It made my day, I love seeing lots of lives extinguished, it's an aphrodisiac, you know, and why I wanted to see the movie. It was almost as good as that lighthearted episode of TOS where the hippies think they've found Eden, and they all start dying, oh God that cracked me up, and so did "Let that be your last Battlefield" where all those people died and it was all done by computer generated war machines! What a corker! Oh, and the episodes where people died, including some of Kirk's own men, and at the end of the episode they'd be cracking jokes and hamming it up! Wooo! Remember in Star Trek VI where Praxis exploded?! Hell, they weren't human which made it that much more hilarious! Woohoo! What a great day THAT was! And in Star Trek IV where the whale probe was about to tear the hell out of the planet Earth and our guys were living it up in 20th century San Fransisco. It was great that we could all laugh at their antics while certain death was hanging over earth's skies. What fun. :)

J.

And then along came that Tribble episode to put a damper on everything... :(
 
I'm tired of it!

Tired of all the post 9/11 doom and gloom that we see in movies. They're everywhere! Come at us from all sides in all seasons on both screens! Big! And! Small! The movies tell us that like is a bitch and we're all gonna die and everything in between birth and death is just suffering and pain and...

ARGH!

The biggest movie of last year was Dark Knight. It was for all it's plot absurdities an extremely well put together movie with a fantastic performance by Heath Ledger.

It's also as depressing as fuck!

I watched it once in theaters. That's not unusual for me. I only see movies once in theater and then wait for DVD and watch them a million more times.

I bought the Dark Knight DVD the day it came out. To date I've watched it maybe four times.

That's highly unusual for me.

Compare this to Iron Man which was a rare feel good movie. I've watched it over a dozen times since it came out.

Why?

Because it was a Frank Capra movie. It said something I love to hear: One man can make a difference!

A good message. Certainly more useful than the post-9/11: Life's a bitch and then you die.

These days you want to feel good at the movies you either have to see a comedy or rent a porno.

Iron Man was an adventure movie that went the extra mile to make me feel better going in than going out.

Dark Knight on the other hand left me wanting to commit sepuku. If only I'd had a katana none of you would be reading my ramblings. ;)

What's this got to do with Star Trek?

It could have easily gone the depressing route. It could have taken the death of George Kirk, the destruction of Vulcan and the murder of Amanda and played them it for pure nihlism.

But it went the other way and God bless 'em for that!

If Iron Man was the feel good movie of last year then Star Trek is the feel good movie of the decade!

Fuck that! It's the movie of the decade!

They took all that death and destruction in the movie and turned it to positive purposes. George Kirk died but his son Jim becomes a hero in his memory. Vulcan is destroyed and Amanda killed and this heals the rift between Spock and Sarek as well as causing Spock to come to terms with his emotional turmoil. He becomes the Spock of the Trek movie era. The TWOK Spock. The TUC Spock. A Spock at peace with himself. A Spock that followed his fathers path not by denying his emotions but by embracing his love for a human woman.

Love and not pain was such a driving force for this movie. Finding peace with oneself rather than writhing around in personal agony was what this movie was about! Realizing your potential rather than drifting through life was what this movie was about! Making lemons out of lemonade was what this movie was about!

The post-Watergate American needed Star Wars to remind it that life was exciting and beautiful and full of possibilities!

The post-911 America needed Star Trek for the exact same reason!

I needed this movie!

Thanks JJ, thanks Robert, thanks Alex, thanks Chris and Zachary and Karl and Zoe and John and Anton and Simon and...

Thank you Leonard...

I'm going to pay you all the only true compliment I know how to.

I'm seeing it a second time in theaters.

A movie like this is too good to wait for the DVD.

I agree completely. All this angst-ridden shit on TV and the movies needs to stop. Enough already.

Star Trek was great.

Have you ever seen New Galactica? If not, stay as far away from it as possible. And the irony there is that it was created by Ron Moore, who I used to view as one of Star Trek's greatest writers.
 
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^I did not like nuBSG for this very reason. Too depressing for me. Optimism is what brought me to Star Trek many moons ago.

I also thought of the StarFleet ceremony with Kirk and Pike as similar to Luke and Han getting their medals. It also worked for me.
 
that's indeed me... when I was a little bit younger ;)

it's not a boobmeld! only guys would think like that! it's a heart-meld :p
 
that's indeed me... when I was a little bit younger ;)

it's not a boobmeld! only guys would think like that! it's a heart-meld :p

:lol:

He may have told you it was a heart meld, but we all know the truth.

Also, I love the OP in this thread. I absolutely agree!

As for Vulcan being destroyed...yes, it was sad. It was supposed to be sad. We even had moments where the characters were sad about it. BUT Spock said it himself: he is not going to accomplish anything by roaming around weeping.

Also, the movie was about the Enterprise crew. If it was about the Vulcan genocide, I'm sure it would've had a much darker tone. But it wasn't. It was about Kirk and Spock saving the day against near-impossible odds.
 
Admiral, I have to post on here, and say how much I love your OP! Spot on, as far as I'm concerned, and I agree with you all the way!
 
I was thinking the same thing, reading about the movie's great reception when it came out. After all these great but depressing movies and series like TDK and nuBSG, maybe people are just getting tired of dystopia and crisis and bleakness. Add the current economic crisis. Maybe Star Trek XI is just what people need - an optimistic outlook. It may be a significant factor for the success of this film.
 
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